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ender555
Old 05-02-2005, 11:56 PM     Post subject: fold or call this river... #1 (permalink)  
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$25 NL Hold'em - Friday, January 02, 05:34:18 EDT 2004
Table Table 37056 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: halmstadvip ( $28.45 )
Seat 3: dshark ( $51.95 )
Seat 4: EmeraldCity7 ( $26.45 )
Seat 5: kaisrfranz ( $30.95 )
Seat 6: JVANDER ( $1.4 )
Seat 2: bean555 ( $24.75 )
bean555 posts small blind [$0.1].
dshark posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bean555 [ Ad Qh ]
EmeraldCity7 calls [$0.25].
kaisrfranz calls [$0.25].
JVANDER folds.
halmstadvip raises [$0.5].
bean555 raises [$0.9].
dshark folds.
EmeraldCity7 calls [$0.75].
kaisrfranz folds.
halmstadvip calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 9d, As ]
bean555 bets [$3].
EmeraldCity7 calls [$3].
halmstadvip folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
>You have options at Table 36735 (6 max) Table!.
>You have options at Table 37019 (6 max) Table!.
bean555 bets [$6].
EmeraldCity7 calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
bean555 checks.
>You have options at Table 37439 (6 max) Table!.
EmeraldCity7 is all-In [$16.45]
bean555 folds.
>You have options at Table 36735 (6 max) Table!.
>You have options at Table 37439 (6 max) Table!.
EmeraldCity7 does not show cards.
EmeraldCity7 wins $36.9
dshark has left the table.























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Biren
Old 05-03-2005, 01:42 AM #2 (permalink)  

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Yeah that river check gave away your hand I think. Because he saw that you were afraid of the flush that just hit the board, so he used that against you.

And that's kinda small pre-flop raise. But still good enough, I assume.
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ender555
Old 05-03-2005, 02:45 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Yeah that river check gave away your hand I think. Because he saw that you were afraid of the flush that just hit the board, so he used that against you.

And that's kinda small pre-flop raise. But still good enough, I assume.
I'm not sure whehter I had a choice or not. I think this is just a good example of how important position is... I think the correct move was a fold, but I would like to hear some more opinions.
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face
Old 05-03-2005, 06:50 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I think you should have made a blocking bet on the river the same as, or slightly more than, your turn bet. If he has the flush, he'll come in over the top and you'll fold -- paying him off another $6. However, if he doesn't, he'll probably either call or fold, as ripping allin after someone who's been aggressive the whole hand is much harder than doing it when you get a scared check after a scare card hits. What's worse? Tossing another $6 into the pot or losing $36 (or $18 in this case)? You only have to be right/stop the allin from a worse hand 1/6 times for this to be correct.
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Old 05-03-2005, 03:50 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think you should have made a blocking bet on the river the same as, or slightly more than, your turn bet. If he has the flush, he'll come in over the top and you'll fold -- paying him off another $6. However, if he doesn't, he'll probably either call or fold, as ripping allin after someone who's been aggressive the whole hand is much harder than doing it when you get a scared check after a scare card hits. What's worse? Tossing another $6 into the pot or losing $36 (or $18 in this case)? You only have to be right/stop the allin from a worse hand 1/6 times for this to be correct.
If I toss in 6 on the river. thats semi-weakness, and if he has a hand he will come over the top and i will be required to call with a pot that large. however in this case that would of been good. in most cases i think i would be beat because people on pp are flush scared. the only reason he bet like this is becasue he told me he didn't even know a flush was out there.
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Old 05-03-2005, 03:54 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Semi-weakness isn't as weak as checking. That's the definition of a blocking bet. A lot of people will make reasonable bets on the river even with a monster to extract value. The only way a check would be right here is if you were more than 5/6 certain he was on a flush draw or you knew this particular person expected you to pull a Johnny Chan and check-raise the river when it hits you.
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