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mixchange
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06-02-2008, 09:23 AM
Post subject: Fold in blinds with K flush on paired board?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($558.55)
MP ($265.60)
CO ($94.45)
Button ($194)
SB ($222.80)
Hero ($200)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K .
4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12.
Flop: ($36) 3, 5, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($36) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16.
River: ($68) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $44, Hero calls $44.
Final Pot: $156
I thought his range here is weighted towards mid pp because he was 4betting AK and big pairs. So I checked flop because I expected him to reraise. Then I hit on turn, and threw a tiny value bet. Probably shoulda done $26
This is Vs good thinking reg soccertease. This river is a fold, or do we have to call? he can't be betting a Q for value, so fold right?
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jimmy44
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06-02-2008, 10:01 AM
Post subject: Re: Fold in blinds with K flush on paired board?
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Full House
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Originally Posted by mixchange
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($558.55)
MP ($265.60)
CO ($94.45)
Button ($194)
SB ($222.80)
Hero ($200)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K .
4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12.
Flop: ($36) 3 , 5 , 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($36) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16.
River: ($68) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $44, Hero calls $44.
Final Pot: $156
I thought his range here is weighted towards mid pp because he was 4betting AK and big pairs. So I checked flop because I expected him to reraise. Then I hit on turn, and threw a tiny value bet. Probably shoulda done $26
This is Vs good thinking reg soccertease. This river is a fold, or do we have to call? he can't be betting a Q for value, so fold right?
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With your action, he knows that most of the time you don't have a big flush here.
If you had bet $26 on turn then it would make your river decision easier.
I think I call here also.
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Deanglow
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I think bet/calling the flop is fine. Yeah you have to call the river now
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griffey24
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Calling river is definitely fine. Not so much cause you might be behind, but because I doubt he calls a raise/shove on this river with the Qs or worse anyhow.
not much value in raising.
I agree with previous posts though, I don't mind bet calling this flop and bet stronger on turn.
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GrindCity3
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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first i would bet 30 on the flop
and snap call the river imo
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I gotta get back to the money....
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Marshall28
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uhhh ... nobody wants to b/3b the flop all in?.... if AK is out of his range and he does end up having the A of spades ... you are ahead. albeit not by much but if you factor in the times that he has a mid pair that he will checkraise but fold to a jam, it makes the play very profitable ... even if he does get it in w/ a mid pp, you are a favorite w/ 2 overs, 2nd NFD and gutshot.
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will641
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i dont know why you didnt bet the flop. call river as played.
also i really disagree with you that soccertease is a v good thinking reg. thinking reg maybe, but not good.
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Alexos
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I think river is a fold, but yah maybe your weak turn bet induced a river bluff from him. That's why I'd bet 24$ on turn and make an easy fold if he leads river on a pairing board.
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rewfie40
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A fold on the river is terrible. I think the river bet is a blocking bet way more than one for value. I definitely call.
If you are the villain and have the As, what is your line?
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meeloche
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I've never played 1 hand with soccertease but I would be b/c the flop and call the river for sure.
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mixchange
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To everyone who wants to bet the flop, what range are you putting someone on here who is very aggro in blinds and likes to 4bet a lot but instead flat calls here. Maybe I am making a range mistake? Seems weighten to me towards low/mid PP which I will get raised on the flop. 22-88 I think he 4bets 99+ and AQ/AK. I guess I'm ignorant of his 3b calling range here, help needed
oh and will, sorry I forget all the online forum guys definition of good is "super awesome ownage huge winner should play 25/50" he's not awesome but definitely wins at his stake. Sorry if I sound rude, I guess I should just say "reg" as people seem defensive of about using the term "good". I don't mean to be rude at all but i dont know how else to type that. sorry
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Alexos
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not giving results after thread is dead = BAN!
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mixchange
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heh. villain had a boat, 55
I was hoping someone would answer my question about his range here. I didn't like betting the flop because I felt like his range was made up more of mid pp's...
I think the river is a crying call but a fold OK in retrospect. But I should be betting turn much stronger
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