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07-01-2008, 04:00 PM Post subject: Fnord is a monkey.

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Opponent is tightish pre-flop, passive and striaght forward post-flop.

One of these days I'll learn how to suck less at bluffing.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($232.90)
UTG+1 ($207.05)
CO ($199.00)
Hero ($222.65)
SB ($280.20)
BB ($200.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop:

($15, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $10, UTG+1 calls $10

Turn:

($35, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $20, UTG+1 calls $20

River:

($75, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $50

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07-01-2008, 04:08 PM

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It's okay, but I think its more on the bad side.

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07-01-2008, 04:15 PM

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It's okay, but I think its more on the bad side.

$30+ on the turn, then done with the hand?

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07-01-2008, 04:20 PM

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Meh, while I'm beating myself up... how bad is this on a scale of 1 to 10?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($96.30)
UTG+1 ($431.80)
CO ($211.10)
BTN ($314.55)
SB ($146.35)
Hero ($243.40)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB

2 folds, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5

Flop:

($15, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn:

($39, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $28, Hero raises to $75, CO calls $47

River:

($189, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $149.40

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07-01-2008, 04:34 PM

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It's meh. At least a high card came down that he might not have, and it seems pretty unlikely that he has the straight that you're (possibly) repping. When did you become such an aggtard with two big cards? I'd put this in the questionable EV category vs. an unknown, but it could tilt either way depending on that guy's tendencies. Any read or stats on him?

On the first hand, I'd say $25 on the turn and done with it after that. If he's passive and called two healthy bets, he's probably looking for a showdown.

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07-01-2008, 05:59 PM

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nice new avatar fnord.

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07-01-2008, 06:01 PM

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3betting preflop makes these hands so much easier to play...

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07-01-2008, 06:21 PM

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3betting preflop makes these hands so much easier to play...

It certainly changes the dynamic of the hand. Given the opponents, I think it would fold out a lot of hands pre-flop and make life more difficult when we make a pair.

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07-02-2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

3betting preflop makes these hands so much easier to play...

It certainly changes the dynamic of the hand. Given the opponents, I think it would fold out a lot of hands pre-flop and make life more difficult when we make a pair.

i think you underestimate the complete trash people like to call 3bets with in position. i dont mind not 3betting hand 1, although i prefer it personally, but hand 2 i think is giving away money.

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07-02-2008, 12:33 AM

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i think you underestimate the complete trash people like to call 3bets with in position.

Against loose pre-flop, tightish post-flop players, yes it's an auto-3-ball. Against the tighter sorts, I mix it up.

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07-02-2008, 12:52 AM

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I think you're getting called down by JJ enough to make this bad

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07-02-2008, 09:07 AM

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About hand 2: What exactly was you turn plan when you called flop?

I get your preflop and flop play as a mix up. But imo you're trying to rep such a narrow range with 97, 98, 99 and I guess 56s/TJ/66/77 sometimes...although far from always as I think you'll c/r the flop very often with them, that the turn c/r in a vacuum is bad.

The Q really didn't change your range but villain could very well have peeled the turn with a (combo)draw trying hit a J or heart...which all missed. So after the turn I like the river.
Although I have to admit I don't know much about this shit.

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07-02-2008, 10:05 AM

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About hand 2: What exactly was you turn plan when you called flop?

My plan for the hand was to not fold the flop unless it came something just terrible. His turn bet looked pretty FoS so I pulled the trigger. After pulling the trigger on the turn I realized that I was committed to shove a lot of river cards.

After pondering this hand for a while, I think my biggest mistake in the hand was not paying more attention to what a 2nd barrel from this particular player on this particular board meant.

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07-02-2008, 12:06 PM

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About hand 2: What exactly was you turn plan when you called flop?

Here are my thoughts about postflop, with a remark that I’m just a 50NL player:

On the flop you’re ahead of his range, so c/f-ing isn’t really option, this deep, reasonable villain, etc.

Check/call flop
A c/c to me seems to be the best option only if you are (reasonably) sure villain isn’t barrelling with air on non A/K turns often. (him barrelling A/K often and not others obviously is great for you c/c line). With this knowledge you can c/f turns you missed.
As quite a lot of players do this, this isn’t such a terrible line imo.

The turn hit your range pretty good. I assume a villain on this level knows this and therefore my estimation of his turn barrel is like T9+, possibly with some combo draws in there, but very little air.
(please comment on this range if it’s way off)

Therefor your turn c/r, although it seems strong, hasn’t got much FE in a vacuum. Combined with like perfect river push or c/f play against his range it might be +EV. (I haven’t done the math, but in general you always seem to have FE on the river against certain parts of his range, depending on the river card)

With the above arguments, I think a c/c flop, c/f this turn line is very reasonable.

Check/raise flop
First and foremost with a c/r you’ll be folding out a large part of villains range that you’re ahead of and a certain part that gives you implied odds. (the part that remains probably has some reverse implied odds in it).
Also with this being COvsblinds your flop c/r probably contains quite some air/draws….so imo it more or less establishes that:
- you’ll get 3bet/pushed of your hand by villains best hands
- you’ll get 3bet/pushed of your hand by some of villains draws
- villain calls with draws or TP type of hands

If we assume that, then c/ring and not continuing on turns makes no sense in this situation with this hand. So you probably will continue on any non-heart turn with a big bet to fold out certain parts of villains flop calling range… being mostly draws that do not get enough implied odds, or the weaker made hands.

With this line you seem to have to make a lot of assumptions. (although this could also mean I’m just not being good enough to know for sure, maybe you are). And it seems to throw away a lot of the value AK still has on the flop. C/ring with air kind of seems better.

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07-02-2008, 03:53 PM

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I like the second hand a lot more than the first hand.

The first hand I just think is a pretty bad board to barrel (second barrel even) and the river card is even worse to continue on.

The second hand depends on reads. If he's capable of calling the turn and folding rivers still, then its ok. You're clearly repping strength, though you're mostly only repping JT and some two pairs too I suppose.

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