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Old 01-31-2006, 09:22 PM     Post subject: flush gets min CR'ed on river #1 (permalink)  
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he was getting a bit frustrated me raising him PF and making strong raises in position basically every time. He had caught me semi-bluffing the same flush draw as he had 1-2 hands earlier and he surely remembers that. Anyways, that insta min-CR got me scared.. Anything do you differently here. Any arguments limping along PF? What could he possibly have here?

field10 is at seat 1 with 215.00
bebo16 is at seat 2 with 466.00
ERNIE99 is at seat 3 with 394.90
PingZen is at seat 4 with 831.20
Paul_TSC is at seat 5 with 487.40

bebo16 posts the large blind 4.00
Anfield10 posts the small blind 2.00

Anfield10: --, --
bebo16: --, --
ERNIE99: --, --
PingZen: 8h, 7h
Paul_TSC: --, --

Pre-flop:

ERNIE99: Call 4.00
PingZen: Raise 16.00
Paul_TSC: Fold
Anfield10: Fold
bebo16: Fold
ERNIE99: Call 16.00

Flop (Board: 10h, Qd, 6h):

ERNIE99: Check
PingZen: Bet 24.00
ERNIE99: Call 24.00

Turn (Board: 10h, Qd, 6h, 3h):

ERNIE99: Check
PingZen: Bet 48.00
ERNIE99: Call 48.00

River (Board: 10h, Qd, 6h, 3h, 3s):

ERNIE99: Check
PingZen: Bet 88.00
ERNIE99: Raise 176.00
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Ugh, what a bad situation. Even if your image sucks, he's expecting a call. I don't see how you can fold though getting such tremendous odds.

Truthfully, I check behind on this river. It may be a bit weak, but there are just so many hands out there now that can beat you, especially since the board paired.

Preflop, I probably limp this behind UTG limper, but I'm not opposed to a raise here. I can see arguments here for limping, folding, and raising. In this situation, I don't think it really matters. Post-flop is where it's at baby.
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:35 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 If I had to take an educated guess as to what he has, I say 66633.
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:57 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I am not even closely tight enough to even think about folding PF.
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Old 02-01-2006, 02:57 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think you have to make a crying call here even though you have a good chance of being behind. One thing to keep in mind is your betting pattern. You basically made the same % bet each street which I have no problem with. Do you do this when you hit (or miss) usually? I'm asking because if you usually bet higher when you hit, then he may sense weakness and is just trying to steal when he thinks you whiffed without investing too much of his chips. That could be his motivation for min-raising. He may have AQ or KQ.

I don't like checking the river here - I think the bet you made still shows strength but doesn't give away your hand. A check will give you zero fold equity and you'll still have the same tough decision to make when he bets against your weakness.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I don't like checking the river here - I think the bet you made still shows strength but doesn't give away your hand. A check will give you zero fold equity and you'll still have the same tough decision to make when he bets against your weakness.
If he checked the river he'd be checking behind, there wouldn't be another bet to come. That does seem weak, but a calculated weakness, a cheap showdown for a decently sized pot. Though villain holding the full house seems strange. Can you see him slowplaying this set, and still cold-calling, even after the three flush hits. This is tricky, any hand villain holds after the flop, I can't see him going so slow. Though if he reads you as super LAG, he could be going slow in the belief that you have absolutely nothing. In this session did you showdown any strong holdings?
Is it too early to ask what the outcome was?
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
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r8ed: I tend to bet about 3/4 pot whether I hit of miss.

SonofAkira: Like I said, he remembers me firing two barrels with a flush draw that he was chasing OOP, bets being about 3/4 of the pot.

as a side note especially in these coordinated boards I would make almost a pot sized bet, definitely not half the pot.
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Old 02-01-2006, 03:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i wouldn't bet the flop when effective stacks are 100bb. he knows you bet with nothing, and i don't want to get raised off of my draw. also, he would be less likely to put you on a flush since the play would be different than the less flushdraw you had. just try to mix it up some.

as played, call the river. i can't put him on 66 here.
Would you be more willing to semi-bluff that 12 outer with position if effective stacks were a)50BB b)200BB. Game was also passive so the likelyhood or getting CR'ed was moderate. I agree that I should tone down my enthusiasm to semi-bluff, but that is OOP. I try to be very active with position and with made hands or good draws. The fact that he was clearly out to get me is a fact for checking either flop or turn, which one, I dont know.
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Old 02-01-2006, 04:47 PM #10 (permalink)  
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i wouldn't bet the flop when effective stacks are 100bb. he knows you bet with nothing, and i don't want to get raised off of my draw. also, he would be less likely to put you on a flush since the play would be different than the less flushdraw you had. just try to mix it up some.

as played, call the river. i can't put him on 66 here.
Would you be more willing to semi-bluff that 12 outer with position if effective stacks were a)50BB b)200BB. Game was also passive so the likelyhood or getting CR'ed was moderate. I agree that I should tone down my enthusiasm to semi-bluff, but that is OOP. I try to be very active with position and with made hands or good draws. The fact that he was clearly out to get me is a fact for checking either flop or turn, which one, I dont know.
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Old 02-01-2006, 04:49 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I cursed, wiped a tear and called my finger shaking. He showed AA. Discuss.
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I cursed, wiped a tear and called my finger shaking. He showed AA. Discuss.
Pwned! He must have just decided that he was paying off the flush. I wonder what he does if you re-raise the river? (Not that I would suggest such a thing...)
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:21 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I think he thought that this time I didnt fire two barrels on a flush draw. I mean, I dont think that firing two 3/4 pot barrels with a draw is that common.
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:39 PM #14 (permalink)  
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I don't like checking the river here - I think the bet you made still shows strength but doesn't give away your hand. A check will give you zero fold equity and you'll still have the same tough decision to make when he bets against your weakness.
If he checked the river he'd be checking behind, there wouldn't be another bet to come.
Oops, sorry. I still think you raise/call the river here.
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i wouldn't bet the flop when effective stacks are 100bb. he knows you bet with nothing, and i don't want to get raised off of my draw. also, he would be less likely to put you on a flush since the play would be different than the less flushdraw you had. just try to mix it up some.

as played, call the river. i can't put him on 66 here.
Would you be more willing to semi-bluff that 12 outer with position if effective stacks were a)50BB b)200BB. Game was also passive so the likelyhood or getting CR'ed was moderate. I agree that I should tone down my enthusiasm to semi-bluff, but that is OOP. I try to be very active with position and with made hands or good draws. The fact that he was clearly out to get me is a fact for checking either flop or turn, which one, I dont know.
200bb, but since you said game was passive it doesn't matter as much. i'm not saying you shouldnt be aggressive in position, just saying i think its good to mix it up, especially when you have the same time of situation (the flush draw) against the same player.
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:19 PM #16 (permalink)  
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cant see a full house played like this.
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I don't like checking the river here - I think the bet you made still shows strength but doesn't give away your hand. A check will give you zero fold equity and you'll still have the same tough decision to make when he bets against your weakness.
If he checked the river he'd be checking behind, there wouldn't be another bet to come.
Oops, sorry. I still think you raise/call the river here.
Well, I forgot about the part where he mentioned his image and the previous flush draw, so we're both dunces on this one.
Though we both agreed with the call.

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