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Old 11-29-2006, 01:39 PM     Post subject: Flop 3bet bluffing #1 (permalink)  
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Here's two examples of hands that I played recently. Both are against semi-loose TAG regular players, of the 22/17/4-ish variety. Both are aggressive players, capable of raising bluffs and draws and good made hands.

I'm interested in hearing what people think of these lines. If I decide on the flop that the player is FOS is this a good line to take or is there another way I should go about dealing with it.

What kind of boards would you like to do this on? I'm partial to paired boards because it's less likely that either of us hit the flop, and we both know that.

Let me know what you think in general.


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SB ($895.90)
Hero ($467)
UTG ($504.30)
MP ($78)
CO ($411.40)
Button ($400)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A. SB posts a blind of $2.
4 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 2, 4, Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24 , SB raises to $48 , Hero raises to $131, SB folds.

Final Pot: $232



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SB ($387.65)
BB ($400)
UTG ($563.16)
Hero ($398)
Button ($380.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, A. SB posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($34) 9, 4, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB raises to $65, Hero raises to $162, BB folds.

Final Pot: $261
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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VS a 30/13/5.5

Converters bein a pain.


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CO ($160)
Button ($644.20)
SB ($413.90)
BB ($400)
Hero ($445)
MP ($856.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, 9. CO posts a blind of $4. SB posts a blind of $2.
Hero raises to $20, 2 folds, Button calls $20, blinds fold.

Flop: ($10) Q, 2, 2 (6 players)
Hero bets $32, Button raises to $70, Hero raises to $170, Button folds.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:18 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Use position both hands. Call, bet turn if he checks. Would you ever 3-bet top pair or an overpair on these boards? I know I wouldn't.

Example:

***** Hand History for Game 792599339 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - WED NOV 29 17:06:51 EDT 2006
Table Bamako-4 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: hamburgersv ( $86.0)
Seat 2: Mux100 ( $440.4)
Seat 3: busto_soon ( $424.72)
Seat 4: crillo ( $561.68)
Seat 5: kristana ( $516.24)
Seat 6: Jeremie38 ( $379.92)
crillo posts small blind (2.0).
kristana posts big blind (4.0).
Dealt to busto_soon [ 8s, Th ]
Jeremie38 folds.
hamburgersv folds.
Mux100 folds.
busto_soon raises (14.0) to 14.0
crillo calls (12.0)
kristana folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, Qh, 5h ]
crillo checks.
busto_soon bets (22.0)
crillo raises (88.0) to 88.0
busto_soon calls (66.0)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7d ]
crillo checks.
busto_soon bets (140.0)
crillo folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $205.0 | Rake: $3.0
Board: [ 5s Qh 5h 7d ]
busto_soon balance $0, bet $0, collected $345.0, net +$0 [ 8s Th ] [ ]

edit: I like the 3rd hand.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:26 PM #4 (permalink)  
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edit: I like the 3rd hand.
Bacause we're OOP?
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:31 PM #6 (permalink)  
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edit: I like the 3rd hand.
Bacause we're OOP?
Yes, and because you're utg he should give you more easily credit for a huge hand.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:34 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Another thought: You'll have to make these moves more if you're auto-cbetting everything.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:40 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Another thought: You'll have to make these moves more if you're auto-cbetting everything.
Thats the thing, it's so easy for someone with half a brain to bluff raise me on flops like these where I so obviously missed. It's something else all together for them to mess with a reraise.

What if the guy in the hand you posted leads the turn? Push or fold?
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:48 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Easy fold. My flop call is representing a lot of strength (Qx minimum) so he's never bluffing if he leads the turn. Read dependent though. Solid aggro's could continue in that spot.
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:02 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I think most of the players who are capable of this kinda thing are leading the turn too. I mean do you fold 77 - JJ after one flop raise from an aggro TAG on a 5Q5 board? I don't. Therefore it makes no sense for them to give up easy on the turn.
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