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Old 09-05-2006, 03:22 AM     Post subject: Fishy flop check raise attack on my cbet. #1 (permalink)  
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notes - opp is 65/15/1.3 after 150 hands...I am doing a lot of pfr and cbets- estimate 30/20 stats. I thought he reraises TT+ pre flop.

I assumed the flop check raise is a top/mid pair seeing where their at, or semi bluff. This happens a lot (especially min raises). What do you think the range for a fishy opp usually is on this flop to check/raise or insta-min raise in position, and what do you think of my line??

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Pre-flop: (3 players) hero is Button with 9 9
hero raises to $4, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 6 7 2 ($9, 2 players)
SB checks, hero bets $6, SB raises to $18, hero calls.

Turn: 8 ($45, 2 players)
SB bets $26, hero calls.

River: 4 ($97, 2 players)
SB bets $35, hero calls.


Here's another one from today but is a lot different since I had no read (new to table) and the board is dry. I almost timed out but decided to gamble...looking back is this worth it? Such a strong bet is basically a bluff or at least trips right?

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Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is Button with Q Q
UTG folds, CO calls, hero raises to $9, SB folds, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: 6 6 J ($28, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, hero bets $20, BB folds, CO raises all-in $209, hero calls all-in $170.2.
Uncalled bets: $18.8 returned to CO.
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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bump, I changed the post. plz let me know what u think, this happens a lot.
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:19 PM #3 (permalink)  
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the first opponent is really bad. i would try to get allin on the flop i think. i think you can fold the second one and move on. sometimes its KJ or something but i wouldnt care to find out.
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:43 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Ugh. I hate hand one. If your assumption was the flop c/r was a top/mid pair, please explain what hand you're beating on the turn. Passive villain c/r's flop and then leads turn a reasonable amount--I'm folding there.
 
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Ugh. I hate hand one. If your assumption was the flop c/r was a top/mid pair, please explain what hand you're beating on the turn. Passive villain c/r's flop and then leads turn a reasonable amount--I'm folding there.
I should've mentionend he was kinda aggressive post flop - I wouldn't say passive. And I don't see how the turn improved a top/mid pair or flush draw + his bet size reinforced that to me, ie wouldn't a better hand than 1 pair bet more there? It seemed timid.

I wasn't sure of that logic I used, and focused on getting action from weak hands, hence the passiveness. But I like gabe's suggestion - he was really bad so his range has to be really big, and with 100bb I can just get all in on or before a safe turn. Results was he had Ts3s...goes to show how much I can value hands like this against him

#2 I was against a bluff this time but it makes sense this will be a tricky play from a better hand enough to fold without a read.
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:53 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Ok, thought you meant PPs.
 
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