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Old 05-21-2009, 02:36 PM     Post subject: fish minraises and 4b shoves... #1 (permalink)  
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45/13 with a 3b of 8.7 over 144 hands

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Button ($153.65)
Hero (SB) ($100.50)
BB ($190.35)
UTG ($212.80)
MP ($126.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, UTG raises to $102, Hero calls $93.50 (All-In)

Flop: ($202) 8, 6, 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($202) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($202) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $202 | Rake: $3

What's interesting about this hand is that if his range is QQ+,AK we DON'T have the odds to call it off when usually after a 4b shove we do have odds to call here
say he also does it with a third of his pps from 22-66
so I just pokerstoved this range:

Hand 0: 41.142% { AKo }
Hand 1: 58.858% { QQ+, 66-55, AKs, AKo }

since we're putting in $93.5 to win $201 we need 46% equity and that's just not happening unless he does this with sooted aces and I never saw him 4b shove earlier anyway

so while it's normally terrible to 3b for value and fold, because he has a way wider calling range (probably all of his hands he raises) than shoving range I feel this is a fold, and that the 3b was justified anyway
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:11 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 If you think he's capable of monkey jamming 66 here, then he's certainly capable of doing something spazzy with AJ/AQss as well sometimes.
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 I see nothing wrong with a fold here as well.
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 im not a big fan of folding AK pre, but this is one time when its fine.
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If you think he's capable of monkey jamming 66 here, then he's certainly capable of doing something spazzy with AJ/AQss as well sometimes.
I've never seen that
in fact, the only time I've seen people play for stacks with AQ pre is reg who got tired of my 4b shoving
usually fish just flat 3bs with AQ/AJ, but they're too afraid of playing 22-66 postflop
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