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Here's a 400nl HU video I made.
http://rapidshare.com/files/67284461...HU__2.wmv.html
More, including a 400nl 6 max video, another 400nl HU video, and a 200nl 6 max video will be coming soon.
Tell me what u think.
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Oh feel free to comment, sauce is watching right now so its working.
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Cool vid, i've watched 30 minutes so far.
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6:30 you start talking about how to play against nits...you say that you've got to give up a lot on the flop, because if they call they usually aren't folding at any point in the hand.
About 7:30 you pick up KQs OOP. You 3-bet pre, he calls, you lead on the flop and he re-raises you. You 3-bet all-in. You said it was because of a "timing tell," and you thought you had 7.5 outs maybe......but with explaining how to play against nits two minutes earlier, this doesn't add up.
You said you were happy with your play. Do you think, looking back, that this was still the right play?
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I'm 25min or so through, looks good so far.
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I'm only at 32:22, but as stacks get a little deeper, shouldn't you go to raising and/or 3-betting to your normal amount? If so, why not?
EDIT: Within the next ten seconds you raise your flop bets to make up for it, lol. My earlier question still stands, though.
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Just finished it, awesome video.
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Great video ISF. I really enjoyed the commentary and getting a window into just how in depth players like you think. It actually blew me away how everything you do is calculated to build on at a later time. It makes me realize just how far I have to develope my game. Keep it up.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Watching made me motivated to play HU; won a buyin or so. Very nice video and keep them coming.
Edit: I want to talk about some hands, but I have too many questions. FTR chatroom maybe?
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K responding to comments.
Obviously I have to admit I made mistakes during the video. I was discussing it with my friend, and in general its just hard to play against nits because there are so many spots they should bluff sometimes at and they dont, and if they are running hot it looks like they are. In the KQ hand it was just conflicting patterns. He didn't raise a lot of hands on that board. I didn't think he was the type to raise a weak J, and hes calling threebets yet he seems to have it every time. So, I shove.
I gave my reason for the smaller threebets, i wanted to force him to be aggressive because he wasnt being aggressive enough. If he plays more pots hes going to lose money if he doesnt start bluffing sometimes.
I was happy with how i played, its fucking hard to play someone whos nitty and isnt bluffing.
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Awesome video Danny. Can you explain the last hand where u flopped the nut straight? I really disagree with the turn raise. I believe that was the first time all session where u raised his 2nd barrel, and u mention that u want him to think ur bluffing. I think his range there is very polarized to air/straight, so what he thinks u have isn't that relevant b/c he's not the type of guy to 3bet ai bluff there. He's not betting a set/2pr there (prob would c/c).
Last question. If the 99 hand (where u stacked him earlier) happened at the end of the session, do u still stack off there knowing what u know? What about 88 on a low 2-tone board? 77?
Thanks.
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POKERSTARS GAME #13003896029: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/11/02 - 21:18:55 (ET)
Table 'Edburga III' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: heybude ($1391 in chips)
Seat 2: Dofnsman43 ($623.50 in chips)
heybude: posts small blind $2
Dofnsman43: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Ts 8d]
heybude: raises $6 to $10
Dofnsman43: raises $26 to $36
heybude: calls $26
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9d 7c]
Dofnsman43: bets $54
heybude: calls $54
*** TURN *** [Jh 9d 7c] [8s]
Dofnsman43: bets $134
heybude:
Thinking back on it, i feel like i should've raised the flop. Although i had been calling the flop and floating a lot because of his poor late street play, i dont think that would necessarily make him think that i have the nuts, he'll probably put me on a ton of various combo draws.
Idk as played if i should raise the turn. I felt certainly like his betting there was odd, as i'd expect him to c/c most of his made hands unless he was trying to b/f them. So idk, maybe i should've just called there.
Knowing what i know now about opp, first off i wouldn't have threebet 99. Versus that opp it plays really really bad in a threebet pot. Given that i would threebet a hand like 77-99 would mean the match was aggressive and lots of threebets were being called, there would be no way in hell i would'nt felt on a low board.
But okay, lets assume i make a mistake and threebet 99 as i did. I still probably stack off because as i said earlier i didn't expect him to raise A8 there so his range would be TT+, set, or air and people tend to slow play sets and AA so his value raise range there is real tight, and i would expect to see draws a lot, especially given his raise size. NOTE this last point, this is something a lot of low stakes players have to look at in their game, and this is why many get owned when they move up to midstakes.
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nice video sir, mic was slightly too close to your mouth
otherwise perfect
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Yeah nice video!
I also really like to hear/read more about the strategy talk you do at the end about being agressive in general.
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Originally Posted by minSim
Yeah nice video!
I also really like to hear/read more about the strategy talk you do at the end about being agressive in general.
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hmmmm can you elaborate on what you mean exactly? example?
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good vid.
im watched it last night so im trying to remember something specific to comment on or question about.
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ya i watched last night too - awesome video, better than most of the cardrunners ones ive seen. ill try to post some thoughts later.
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i didn't expect him to raise A8 there so his range would be TT+, set, or air and people tend to slow play sets and AA so his value raise range there is real tight, and i would expect to see draws a lot, especially given his raise size. NOTE this last point, this is something a lot of low stakes players have to look at in their game, and this is why many get owned when they move up to midstakes.
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What hand are you talking about here? I don't see a value raise in the hand above. And can you go into a little more detail about how raise size reflects on a players raise being weighted more towards draws? Are you saying large raises are more likely to be draws?
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i didn't expect him to raise A8 there so his range would be TT+, set, or air and people tend to slow play sets and AA so his value raise range there is real tight, and i would expect to see draws a lot, especially given his raise size. NOTE this last point, this is something a lot of low stakes players have to look at in their game, and this is why many get owned when they move up to midstakes.
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What hand are you talking about here? I don't see a value raise in the hand above. And can you go into a little more detail about how raise size reflects on a players raise being weighted more towards draws? Are you saying large raises are more likely to be draws? |
I'm talking about the 99 hand, and saying that hands he raises for value there is very tight. Given the fact he's calling threebets with a much wide range than TT+ or a set, which is like 2% of hands, makes me think this is air or draws a lot.
A lot of the times you will see people raise cbets small with air or nut hands, with draws they hate to be blown off it with a threebet all in you will often see larger raises to cbets in my experience.
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Yeah nice video!
I also really like to hear/read more about the strategy talk you do at the end about being agressive in general.
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I'm at work right now, so I can't be very specific atm.
But somewhere at the end of the video you talk about how players who spew/spewed a lot at the lower stakes are more likely to become winning medium/higher stakes players. I thought you talked about 3-betting as well, not sure though.
I think it's an interesting subject in general, though maybe hard to project on specific examplex/situations. I also think there's a lot of truth in it, and could be an eye opener for some tight/nitty marginal winning players, that likely aren't making hugh progress bankroll and playing wise.
(Yeah, I am one of them)
The thing is, to counter that, I think in general a tighter strategy is more profitable at the lower stakes than a looser one because you'll still get paid of enough on your big hands and it's quite easy to spew around too much.
When I get home I'll watch that part of the video again and comment more specific.
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But somewhere at the end of the video you talk about how players who spew/spewed a lot at the lower stakes are more likely to become winning medium/higher stakes players.
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wait, so there may be hope for me yet?
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I'm still watching it as we speak (somewhere halfway now) and liking what I see. I don't really get the idea behind shoving the KQs in the beginning even after what was said here... I think you're reading him almost perfectly and there would be better spots later on. am I wrong? (I don't play headsup much nor at this level, so I probably am)
furthermore I really enjoy hearing what you're thinking during the game and looking forward to the 6max game-video's!!
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Yeah nice video!
I also really like to hear/read more about the strategy talk you do at the end about being agressive in general.
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hmmmm can you elaborate on what you mean exactly? example? |
I'm at work right now, so I can't be very specific atm.
But somewhere at the end of the video you talk about how players who spew/spewed a lot at the lower stakes are more likely to become winning medium/higher stakes players. I thought you talked about 3-betting as well, not sure though.
I think it's an interesting subject in general, though maybe hard to project on specific examplex/situations. I also think there's a lot of truth in it, and could be an eye opener for some tight/nitty marginal winning players, that likely aren't making hugh progress bankroll and playing wise.
(Yeah, I am one of them)
The thing is, to counter that, I think in general a tighter strategy is more profitable at the lower stakes than a looser one because you'll still get paid of enough on your big hands and it's quite easy to spew around too much.
When I get home I'll watch that part of the video again and comment more specific. |
You're actually 100% correct. In general its better to have a tight game at lower stakes because you get paid off with your big hands so easily even if you never bluff. However, there are tons of spots to bluff and be aggressive and i will show you that in my 200nl 6 max video.
My point about the spewtard thing was simply a lot of regs don't ever put bluffing in their game, and if you don't there is absolutely no way you will move past 400nl successfully, and there is no way you will ever have a very good winrate at 200nl+.
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I'm still watching it as we speak (somewhere halfway now) and liking what I see. I don't really get the idea behind shoving the KQs in the beginning even after what was said here... I think you're reading him almost perfectly and there would be better spots later on. am I wrong?
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There's really no such thing as better spots in a cash game. You have to make the best decision at that moment in the match.
That early on I thought my opponent was playing aggressively (he was in fact raising cbets with air on occasion, but not as much as i thought) and he was also not thin vbetting well at all. Given that, besides the fact that i am ahead of some draws and drawing decently against some hands there were a few other reasons i shoved.
1. He's going to be wary to raise my cbets in the future (isolating every other variable, there is a direct relationship with how much money we win and how passive our opponent plays)
2. (Mistakenly) Increase his calling range to my flop threebets. I say mistakenly because since his raising my cbet % with air goes down, im not going to threebet as bluffs as much.
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There's really no such thing as better spots in a cash game. You have to make the best decision at that moment in the match.
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ah yes, that's true!
I understand the reasoning now, but I have to change my own mindset to be able to play it like this. I have no problem c-betting, betting with draws etc. but shoving over a reraise is not something I've done a lot unless I have at least more outs... then again to make this move you really need a good read on someone.
So basically when someone (re-)raises a LOT (even in 6max) or specially when you've seen someone bet with air it's possibly a good move to shove with overcards. And if he does have a hand, it's good for image.
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Yeah nice video!
I also really like to hear/read more about the strategy talk you do at the end about being agressive in general.
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hmmmm can you elaborate on what you mean exactly? example? |
I'm at work right now, so I can't be very specific atm.
But somewhere at the end of the video you talk about how players who spew/spewed a lot at the lower stakes are more likely to become winning medium/higher stakes players. I thought you talked about 3-betting as well, not sure though.
I think it's an interesting subject in general, though maybe hard to project on specific examplex/situations. I also think there's a lot of truth in it, and could be an eye opener for some tight/nitty marginal winning players, that likely aren't making hugh progress bankroll and playing wise.
(Yeah, I am one of them)
The thing is, to counter that, I think in general a tighter strategy is more profitable at the lower stakes than a looser one because you'll still get paid of enough on your big hands and it's quite easy to spew around too much.
When I get home I'll watch that part of the video again and comment more specific. |
You're actually 100% correct. In general its better to have a tight game at lower stakes because you get paid off with your big hands so easily even if you never bluff. However, there are tons of spots to bluff and be aggressive and i will show you that in my 200nl 6 max video.
My point about the spewtard thing was simply a lot of regs don't ever put bluffing in their game, and if you don't there is absolutely no way you will move past 400nl successfully, and there is no way you will ever have a very good winrate at 200nl+. |
I would actually love to see you do a 50NL video once playing 30/20 or so.
Btw, the part in the video I was referring to was somewhere between 1:09 - 1:10. You talk about being agressive in general and being agressive with your 'light cards', because otherwise it's too easy to play against. I'll have to listen good to it again and think about it myself a bit, maybe it isn't that sophisticated, but it at least sounded like that the first time I heard it.
Other subject:
On the 77 hand where you flop a set on a Qh7d9h board you say you call because he's gonna 2 barrel a lot. Is that standard for you?
Isn't this a board where you should raise your sets a lot, because it's draw heavy, so 1.it looks like you have a draw yourself and 2. if he's on a draw you let him pay?
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Okay about the 77 hand. My reasoning wasnt so much that he was two barrelling a lot, but moreso when he was bluffing i felt like it was.
1. c/r the turn
2. two barrel the turn
Therefore i want to have him stack off with the widest range and thats going to happen on the turn. The board really isn't that drawy, if a T or a heart comes im not very upset as its going to make him protect his hand more and commit or c/c with some sort of draw that im ahead of.
The whole thing about being aggressive with light cards is pretty simple. In an aggressive HU match where someone is threebetting a lot, you should be being aggressive too to take him off his weak hands. Now if you start raising his flop cbets he's going to start shoving over you a lot lighter, maybe even midpair type hands and no doubt top pair. So to counteract this, you must be raising cbets with top pair hands, BECAUSE if you don't, your bluffing frequency is going to be way too high and way too exploitable. AND if your not bluffing at all, you're going to get owned.
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Thanks ISF - a really cool video. I don't play heads up (at this stage) but I really enjoyed listening to your commentry about specific hands and the game in general. It's videos like these that make me appreciate how many good players there must be out there!
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Thanks ISF - a really cool video. I don't play heads up (at this stage) but I really enjoyed listening to your commentry about specific hands and the game in general. It's videos like these that make me appreciate how many good players there must be out there!
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change gay avatar immediately or ban???
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Good comments ISF. I'm looking forward to the 6-max video.
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Danny, you go pretty insane in this video. Are you usually this insane (although in different ways) in every HU match against competent players? Or do you tone it down against non nits?
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Danny, you go pretty insane in this video. Are you usually this insane (although in different ways) in every HU match against competent players? Or do you tone it down against non nits?
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Against fish i tone it down, but versus decent taggs or laggs i tend to go pretty bonkers.
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