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kapilalink

04-18-2008, 10:01 PM Post subject: first day at 2-4

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Hand # 1: No info on player. Is this ok?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP ($227.50)
CO ($255.30)
Button ($438.80)
SB ($1378.55)
Hero ($413.10)
UTG ($444)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

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UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, Button calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $34, UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls $26, Button raises to $109, Hero raises to $447.1 (All-In),

Hand # 2: Opponent is running 21/14/1.8 over 100 hands. WTF was he thinking? was my call on the turn bad? I don't know how to make the hand converter show the end of the hand, but he had AKo.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($388)
Hero ($580)
MP ($390)
CO ($572.10)
Button ($1347.45)
SB ($402)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, 3

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Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, Button calls $14, 2 folds.

Flop: ($34) T

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $28, Button calls $28.

Turn: ($90) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $63, Hero calls $63.

River: ($216) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $175, Button raises to $1242.45 (All-In), Hero calls $300 (All-In).

Final Pot: $1166

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04-19-2008, 12:45 AM

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1) i prolly fold
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04-19-2008, 12:48 AM

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1) likely fold with no reads, depends how crazy im feeling.

2) fold turn.

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04-19-2008, 02:31 AM

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1) I shove it in so quick and then point and laugh at the donk for making the worst play ever if he actually has it (which he most likely doesn't).

2) You're deep enough here where i'd probably make a a little over half pot bet here on the turn, and shove over a raise. C/r leaves you in a bad position because i don't think you'd have odds to call a shove and c/c is so bad.

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Marshall28

04-20-2008, 04:07 AM

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1) I shove it in so quick and then point and laugh at the donk for making the worst play ever if he actually has it (which he most likely doesn't).

agree

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2) You're deep enough here where i'd probably make a a little over half pot bet here on the turn, and shove over a raise. C/r leaves you in a bad position because i don't think you'd have odds to call a shove and c/c is so bad.

considering our options of b/3b shove, c/r, and c/c, i don't really like any of them.

i kinda think b/3b shove the turn is not a good play since you'll never be ahead when the money goes in--if you have no FE, a semibluff generally sucks.

by checking and calling a bet, you tell your opponent you have one of two hands, a FD, or a set/two pair (same hand strength relatively as they are bluff catchers to the represented 7 if villain does bet, calling shows were hoping to improve to a full house, or catch the bluff. -- though if villain sucks and will pay off a flush with the 7 then this is obviously the best choice.

the more i think about it, i think either a c/r/fold line is best or a b/f line is best. I'm leaning a bit towards the b/f line since it's highly unlikely you get raised if villain isn't holding a 7, and if you are called you will be much better able to assess whether or not you can push villain off of his holding based on timing tells.

though i really dont mind the c/c so much if villain of course is bad enough to pay u off when u hit .. as he was.

b-rabbit

04-20-2008, 06:06 AM

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hand 1
what do the CO and button limp with here and then call and reraise an 8.5x preflop raise, respectively? that seems ridiculous to me. granted i don't play 2/4. do you have a crazy image at this table

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04-20-2008, 08:14 AM

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I guess it is just a good table selection.

Hand 1 depends. I don't like stacking off with AQ readless, but with even a small read that he can squezze, you should stack off.

Hand 2 I would bet turn like always. As played, I would c/r river. Now that you bet, a good player will probably just call you on the river because your river donkbet looks extremly strong.

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04-20-2008, 09:32 AM

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hand 1 get it in

hand 2 fold turn

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minSim

04-20-2008, 10:57 AM

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Hand 1 I definately call.

Hand 2 Tough spot on the turn. The thing with b/f is that you are b/fing quite a lot of your range so it's profitable for villain to raise you with a wide range. Also, I think a lead has very little FE. C/r likely has a bit more, but the 8 hits his range so hard. So in all, I like your c/c as it leaves smaller FD's in his range and I think you'll get paid of enough most of the times by straights and possibly sets.

Numbr2intheWorld

04-20-2008, 04:23 PM

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dude seriously, tank the turn and then bet like 38-48 on hand 2 it's sooo sick

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04-21-2008, 11:04 AM

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dude seriously, tank the turn and then bet like 38-48 on hand 2 it's sooo sick

Out of personal curiosity / learning point....to fold what hands? and with what plan to a turn raise? and a turn call?

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04-21-2008, 04:39 PM

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dude seriously, tank the turn and then bet like 38-48 on hand 2 it's sooo sick

Out of personal curiosity / learning point....to fold what hands? and with what plan to a turn raise? and a turn call?

Not sure how many hands it will fold with the initial bet. It's a pretty decent information bet though, and it allows you to bet close to pot on basically any river and be successful. Even if you get raised, i still shove over just because i feel a lot of peops at 2/4 will turn some hands into a bluff here.

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langaan

04-21-2008, 04:46 PM Post subject: hmm

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just outta curiousity, but i seen a couple people suggest folding the turn in hand #2...

why in the world would we fold here?

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Cocco_Bill

04-21-2008, 06:13 PM

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Hand 1: Unless you have an extremely rare read on button that he can limp big hands behind multiple limpers then its a no brainer push.

Hand 2: You bet the turn here to balance your 2 barrel range OOP. Meaning that betting should also maximizes you expected value for your other options c/c c/r and c/f for you wide range of hands.

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