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Old 10-02-2006, 03:02 AM     Post subject: First big "WTF" nl400 from my first nl400 session #1 (permalink)  
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 Have been at table for a few orbits, have been out of line but haven't shown down anything yet.

Villain is a donk but I haven't seen any big post-flop moves yet. Preflop he runs at 73/26 lol. AF is 1.69 though over small sample. I pushed him off of a pot earlier but he doesn't know this.

What do you do on river and why.

$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 01, 22:08:31 ET 2006
Table Table 105609 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: Shook_Foil ( $400 )
Seat 3: VILLAIN ( $1030 )
Seat 4: spector2 ( $459.30 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $1025.91 )
Seat 6: Freewheelinn ( $576.50 )
Seat 1: missysbuddy ( $339.29 )
VILLAIN posts small blind [$2].
spector2 posts big blind [$4].


** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO [ 5h 5c ]
HERO raises [$14].
Freewheelinn folds.
missysbuddy folds.
VILLAIN calls [$12].
spector2 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 8h, 4c ]

VILLAIN checks.
HERO bets [$22].
VILLAIN calls [$22].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
VILLAIN checks.
HERO checks.

** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]

VILLAIN bets [$60].
HERO raises [$177].
VILLAIN raises [$434].
HERO ???
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Pretty sure that I just call the original $60 river bet.

The check on the turn got him to bet, given your read your probably ahead but I don't see why you want to re-open the betting and give yourself a tricky decision if he pushes back.
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:19 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 easy to call, i think his question is whether to push


after all, the guy is a 73/26 fish.


I just call.
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 called villain shows k7o no pair no draw wtf

gg 4-bet bluff
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Bigger stakes fish tend to get more absurdly aggressive.
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Old 10-02-2006, 09:28 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 precisely illustrating why you should call but not raise
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Old 10-02-2006, 10:22 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 hmmm

not sure bout that rent

obv him being a bad player made it more possible he chased a gutshot

but the raise made a shit load of money.

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Old 10-02-2006, 10:41 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 my last post was particularly meaningless

question i should have asked is if raising can truly be -ev here... One thing that made the call easier was the possibility that villain had donk-played a lower set.

The call was scary, but the more I think of it, I couldn't fold...

Maybe Renton's point is that this call loses money every time villain is not bluffing...

not sure
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 oh

forget everything i just said

i misunderstood your point about calling Renton.
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I thought you were suggesting it was correct to call villain's initial river-bet.

GG not understanding simple posts. disregard 2 previous posts plz.
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