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griffey24

03-21-2007, 04:22 AM Post subject: A few problem hands, facing bets

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Hand 1

-this hand doesn't seem all that confusing but it confused me quite a bit due to the SB
-I have seen the SB flat call MP/LP raises with very strong hands in the blinds, Aces twice and Queens once, so his PF and flop calls worried me
-btn betting big into two players also seemed like strength
-only 30 hands on button, 55/21/1
-SB has been pretty solid overall (other than not re-raising strong hands out of the blinds), 26/11/1.06
-how bad is a flop fold here?

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $78
UTG+1: $16.51
CO: $237.50
Button: $80.64
SB: $140
Hero: $120.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button raises to $4, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop:

($13, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $17, SB calls, Hero ??

Hand 2

-same fishy villain as on the button in previous hand: 55/21/1 over only 28 hands

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $79.50
CO: $14.51
Button: $41.64
SB: $181
Hero: $117.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with

2 folds, Button raises to $3, SB folds, Hero raises to $9, Button calls.

Flop:

($18.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $9, Hero calls.

Turn:

($36.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button is all-in $23.64, Hero??

Hand 3:

-once again, same villain as previous hands
-I have been playing pretty LAGG, more aggressive preflop, running at 26/22/2.8 for this session
-villains line seems very odd, but my hand isn't very strong
-I raised the flop intending to check through the turn

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $78.78
CO: $180.50
Hero: $99
SB: $82.25
BB: $14.51

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with

UTG calls, CO folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop:

($13, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero raises to $19, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn:

($51, 2 players)
UTG is all-in $55.78, Hero ??

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griffey24

03-21-2007, 02:07 PM

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Hopefully these aren't too straightforward.

I was mostly confused on the two pocket ten's hands.

The second hand I got stuck checking to make a worse hand bet, and then the second ace made me believe villain even less.

The third hand is probably an easy fold for most, as I'm not good often enough to make that call, though I can't put villain on a hand.

ihategnomes

03-22-2007, 10:11 AM

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I re-raise preflop in hand 1.

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Genitruc

03-22-2007, 01:45 PM

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Hand 1 : based on your reads folding is optimal

Hand 2 : hahaha this is sooooooo close. His range includes other pp's, so you're probably only ahead of 2-3 hands. Since he's a donk he's very capable of calling a 3-bet w Ax so I'd pitch it.

Hand 3 : Lol sick. I'd just fold. Vs this kind of fish I think this is usually a big hand. Wow does he ever take weird lines though...

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

griffey24

03-22-2007, 04:20 PM

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Thanks for the replies so far,

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

I re-raise preflop in hand 1.

I definitely considered this, and 80% of the time I would re-raise here. The reason I didn't re-raise was cause of the damn SB, and his track record of cold calling very strong hands in the blinds. I didn't want to make a huge pot in this spot, stuck between Btn and SB, when either one of them could have a big hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Hand 2 : hahaha this is sooooooo close. His range includes other pp's, so you're probably only ahead of 2-3 hands. Since he's a donk he's very capable of calling a 3-bet w Ax so I'd pitch it.

Yah, I kinda got screwed with my "checking, to make a worse hand bet" play, when I didn't even know where I was at myself. Is it a better line to just bet this flop, and if called, abandon on the turn? At least then I have some idea where i'm at?

ihategnomes

03-22-2007, 05:21 PM

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and his track record of cold calling very strong hands in the blinds.

Did he only call with very strong hands or did he call often and occasionally showed down a premium?

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griffey24

03-22-2007, 05:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Quote:

and his track record of cold calling very strong hands in the blinds.

Did he only call with very strong hands or did he call often and occasionally showed down a premium?

He is pretty solid. I have been the button to his blinds before, and he doesn't call in the blinds that light. So my range for him here would be any pocket, and at least an ace.

Worth a 3-bet here?

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Genitruc

03-22-2007, 05:55 PM

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I think leading the turn and then either check-calling or check-folding the river (after folding to a turn raise obv) is a pretty effective line for Hand 2.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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