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Few hu hands vs Pooruser

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  1. #1

    Default Few hu hands vs Pooruser

    We both are pretty aggro, he is good/tricky. I may have been tilting a bit for some of these

    Hand1:
    POKERSTARS GAME #13703102712: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/12/07 - 07:49:46 (ET)
    Table 'Sualocin' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Sauce123 ($2446 in chips)
    Seat 2: PoorUser ($1054 in chips)
    Sauce123: posts small blind $5
    PoorUser: posts big blind $10
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sauce123 [Qh 7h]
    Sauce123: raises $20 to $30
    PoorUser: calls $20
    *** FLOP *** [4d 9c 8c]
    PoorUser: checks
    Sauce123: checks
    *** TURN *** [4d 9c 8c] [Qd]
    PoorUser: bets $50
    Sauce123: raises $120 to $170
    PoorUser: calls $120
    *** RIVER *** [4d 9c 8c Qd] [Qc]
    PoorUser: checks
    Sauce123: bets $265
    PoorUser: raises $589 to $854 and is all-in

    Hand2:
    POKERSTARS GAME #13703239919: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/12/07 - 08:05:17 (ET)
    Table 'Parthenope' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Sauce123 ($1029.50 in chips)
    Seat 2: PoorUser ($2660.50 in chips)
    PoorUser: posts small blind $5
    Sauce123: posts big blind $10
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sauce123 [9c Jc]
    PoorUser: raises $30 to $40
    Sauce123: calls $30
    *** FLOP *** [Kd Qs 3d]
    Sauce123: checks
    PoorUser: checks
    *** TURN *** [Kd Qs 3d] [2h]
    Sauce123: bets $60
    PoorUser: calls $60
    *** RIVER *** [Kd Qs 3d 2h] [5d]
    Sauce123: bets $175
    PoorUser: raises $295 to $470
    Sauce123: raises $459.50 to $929.50 and is all-in

    Hand3:
    POKERSTARS GAME #13703146282: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/12/07 - 07:54:44 (ET)
    Table 'Sualocin' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Sauce123 ($1030 in chips)
    Seat 2: PoorUser ($2701 in chips)
    PoorUser: posts small blind $5
    Sauce123: posts big blind $10
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sauce123 [Jc Ks]
    PoorUser: raises $30 to $40
    Sauce123: calls $30
    *** FLOP *** [Qc Qs 4s]
    Sauce123: checks
    PoorUser: bets $60
    Sauce123: raises $120 to $180
    PoorUser: calls $120
    *** TURN *** [Qc Qs 4s] [8s]
    Sauce123: bets $365

    Hand4:
    POKERSTARS GAME #13703458725: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/12/07 - 08:28:40 (ET)
    Table 'Sualocin' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Sauce123 ($2237 in chips)
    Seat 2: PoorUser ($2665.50 in chips)
    Sauce123: posts small blind $5
    PoorUser: posts big blind $10
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sauce123 [Qh Kh]
    Sauce123: raises $20 to $30
    PoorUser: calls $20
    *** FLOP *** [Ts Ks Kd]
    PoorUser: checks
    Sauce123: bets $40
    PoorUser: raises $80 to $120
    Sauce123: raises $100 to $220
    PoorUser: raises $390 to $610
    Sauce123: calls $390
    *** TURN *** [Ts Ks Kd] [5s]
    PoorUser: bets $2025.50 and is all-in
    Sauce123 said, "gross"
    PoorUser said, "fascinating turn"
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  2. #2
    Hand 1: I don't see how this could be a good c/r bluff spot so i fold. I did see the results though but looking at it objectively, I think your range is evenly distrubuted but the thing is the only air he could have is like T7, I think he'd rather call pairs then turn them into bluffs.

    Hand 2: This could be sick if he could make a huge fold but i doubt it versus u. Also, his range seems kind of polar too so this may not make much sense to him because your repping such a thin range.

    Hand 3: This seems bad, I think he's folding too little of his range.

    Hand 4: I'd just put it in on the flop but as played I don't see how we can't fold the turn unless he think we're going to fold a flush.
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    hand 1 seems like a decent spot to "rebluff" in his eyes. your image is (assuming) so aggro that he thinks you try to rep a Q here as a bluff enough. I call hand 1.
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    What's the your thinnest vbet on hand 1, K9?
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    My little contribution here would be to say that I love these hands.
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    1. I can't put him on many hands that you beat. Possibly T7s, but does he expect you to fold a Q here? I'm folding.

    2. Pretty sick, but I don't mind it. You will get value from this later if he calls.

    3. I like this 100%. If you check raise the flop with air, then you should lead the turn if you don't improve EVERY TIME, but the value of that is mostly in the metagame. But shut down now, ok?

    4. Very easy fold. I would have kept raising on the flop though.
  7. #7
    what was the timing on hand 1 on his turn call?
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    (1) Fold
    (2) Very sick, i'll hold off comment until i put more thought into it
    (3) Double C/R here for sure
    (4) Get in on flop, having failed to do that now fold
  9. #9
    Do you guys have some sick flush hitting the turn dynamic or something i mean wtf.

    hand 1) fold, he isn't cr bluffing here enough, this looks like a nciely planned out boat or flush.

    2) a) raising the river as a bluff like that isn't that common to begin with, so he either has a flush which = him insta calling you, or he realizes that you are not checking your FD here the vast majority of the time on the flop and is gonna pick off your shove with great odds here.

    3) This is fine, the percentage of the time you are following through here is much more relevant than what actually happened. I can't give you a percent to follow through as i don't know the dynamics, and i haven't played poor user since party days.

    4) i agree with isf just go arrin and suck out on his tt.
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    pooruser is one of those people who thinks about the game all wrong but its so wrong that he is a winning player
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    Very interested in what you mean gabe
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    read these
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9172256&Words=

    also this post from vanveen in a different thread
    "what many on this forum seem to overlook or just not comprehend is that once you've learned the 'basics' of the game there is a fair bit of chance involved in just how successful your overall strategy manages to be once it has 'congealed'. much of the analysis on this forum from well known long-time winners is often wrong or incomplete, yet they manage to win because they play reasonably tight, avoid making highly exploitable errors, and are fortunate enough to choose frequencies that 'work' into an overall strategy(hi grimstarr!). "
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    which one are you, Gabe?
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    rational
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    rational
    btw i like the strassa post but think the zjustin post was basically poorly thought out and not necessarily correct as theres a gigantic amount of grey area and i think he likely underestimates how rational Ozzy or other of his illogical players actually think even though they may only be estimating.

    for instance i rarely look at potsize anymore, or replay the hand in my head when making a critical decision: as the statement "im getting X to 1" is not nearly as important as how often i think hes bluffing, how thin i think hes value betting, what level hes on, and what betsizing/timing tells he is giving out along with the history of all other big pots ive played with this player.

    so essentially i think the best players are incredibly good at putting opponents on significantly wider/narrower ranges than beginner/novice players, and this overarching skill of handreading is significantly more important than the logical technical skills that all good players have long since internalized.
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    "i like the strassa post but think the zjustin post was basically poorly thought out and not necessarily correct as theres a gigantic amount of grey area"

    i agree. reading hand analysis from him makes me think zeejustin fits into this thing too:

    "much of the analysis on this forum from well known long-time winners is often wrong or incomplete, yet they manage to win because they play reasonably tight, avoid making highly exploitable errors, and are fortunate enough to choose frequencies that 'work' into an overall strategy(hi grimstarr!)."
  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by sauce123
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    rational
    btw i like the strassa post but think the zjustin post was basically poorly thought out and not necessarily correct as theres a gigantic amount of grey area and i think he likely underestimates how rational Ozzy or other of his illogical players actually think even though they may only be estimating.

    for instance i rarely look at potsize anymore, or replay the hand in my head when making a critical decision: as the statement "im getting X to 1" is not nearly as important as how often i think hes bluffing, how thin i think hes value betting, what level hes on, and what betsizing/timing tells he is giving out along with the history of all other big pots ive played with this player.

    so essentially i think the best players are incredibly good at putting opponents on significantly wider/narrower ranges than beginner/novice players, and this overarching skill of handreading is significantly more important than the logical technical skills that all good players have long since internalized.
    Dude this is your longest post in awhile and is fucking awesome.
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