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Genitruc

01-27-2007, 12:25 PM Post subject: a few FT nl 200 hands im looking for advice on...

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oh btw this is FTRer Ravageur posting on Genitruc's laptop (for some reason i can't logout of his account...). Anyway here we go.

My stats are like 31/17/1.8 these days..

Ok, so this sets up some history for this hand. Villain tries to be tricky, i don't think he's that good but you can tell he's trying real hard to do the right thing. His stats are pretty nitty 18/12 . I've been checkraising a ton of flops because im hitting hard on this table.

i.e this hand :

FullTiltPoker Game #1679551377: Table Park Vista (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:26:02 ET - 2007/01/27
Seat 1: Ravageur ($502.25)
Seat 2: spencerwol ($90.60)
Seat 3: gs_oregon ($0), is sitting out
Seat 4: bdk685 ($274.65)
Seat 5: TreadWater ($287.60)
Seat 6: Wild Deucer ($280.70)
Wild Deucer posts the small blind of $1
Ravageur posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ravageur [5h 5s]
spencerwol folds
bdk685 folds
TreadWater raises to $8
Wild Deucer folds
Ravageur calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Ah 5c 9h]
Ravageur checks
TreadWater bets $12
Ravageur raises to $46
TreadWater has 15 seconds left to act
TreadWater calls $34
*** TURN *** [Ah 5c 9h] [3s]
Ravageur checks
TreadWater checks
*** RIVER *** [Ah 5c 9h 3s] [Qc]
Ravageur bets $72
TreadWater calls $72
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ravageur shows [5h 5s] (three of a kind, Fives)
TreadWater mucks
Ravageur wins the pot ($250) with three of a kind, Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $253 | Rake $3
Board: [Ah 5c 9h 3s Qc]
Seat 1: Ravageur (big blind) showed [5h 5s] and won ($250) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: spencerwol didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: gs_oregon is sitting out
Seat 4: bdk685 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: TreadWater (button) mucked [Ad Ts] - a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Wild Deucer (small blind) folded before the Flop

Ok then villain coolers a few people and gets a stack. I imagine most people think this hand is a standard call since i underrepped my hand sorta, but shouldn't this be an easy fold?

FullTiltPoker Game #1679625581: Table Park Vista (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:02:23 ET - 2007/01/27
Seat 1: Ravageur ($859.35)
Seat 2: spencerwol ($93.70)
Seat 3: Rautakasi ($207.55)
Seat 4: Pitir ($37.80)
Seat 5: TreadWater ($463)
Seat 6: Wild Deucer ($275.50)
spencerwol posts the small blind of $1
Wild Deucer: nh
Rautakasi posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ravageur [Js Jc]
Pitir calls $2
TreadWater raises to $10
Wild Deucer folds
Ravageur calls $10
spencerwol folds
Rautakasi folds
Pitir folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Td 2s]
TreadWater bets $18
Ravageur calls $18
*** TURN *** [Qh Td 2s] [Qc]
TreadWater checks
Ravageur checks
*** RIVER *** [Qh Td 2s Qc] [7s]
TreadWater bets $40
Ravageur: hmm
Ravageur: only beat a bluff
Ravageur: nh by you either way
Ravageur has 15 seconds left to act
Ravageur ????

Ok this hand is not long after. I think I make a mistake 3-betting preflop with our stack sizes. Anyway my reasoning was that I could outplay this guy postflop even oop (bad idea probably) and that i didnt mind building a pot given that (I already disagree with myself).. Damn being oop sucks balls.

FullTiltPoker Game #1679665063: Table Park Vista (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:21:16 ET - 2007/01/27
Seat 1: Ravageur ($787.35)
Seat 2: spencerwol ($116.80)
Seat 3: Rautakasi ($246.90)
Seat 4: Pitir ($87.65)
Seat 5: TreadWater ($509.55)
Seat 6: Wild Deucer ($235.85)
Ravageur posts the small blind of $1
spencerwol posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ravageur [Qd Ac]
Rautakasi folds
Pitir folds
TreadWater raises to $8
Wild Deucer folds
Ravageur raises to $28
spencerwol folds
TreadWater calls $20
*** FLOP *** [6s 8d Ks]
Ravageur checks ***I check flop caus i think he checks behind a ton here and not only could i have the best hand but I think i can also get him off a medium PP on the turn and river anyway.
TreadWater checks
*** TURN *** [6s 8d Ks] [Qs]
Ravageur checks ***Ok now i dont need to try to get him off a hand so i check again planning to value bet the river
TreadWater checks
*** RIVER *** [6s 8d Ks Qs] [Td]
***hmm...bad card for me. AJ, J9, 79, 10s and lots of two pairs just got there. Here is where I should bet and fold to a raise right? I have a strong feeling if i check hes going to bet. I think this is my mistake...
Ravageur checks.
TreadWater bets $40
Ravageur: hrmph
Ravageur has 15 seconds left to act
Ravageur: gross
Ravageur ???

Ok last hand that I need help with. A leak of mine is that I pay off half-buyins with top pair way too often. Villain in this hand was pretty tight all around.

FullTiltPoker Game #1679649255: Table Park Vista (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:13:34 ET - 2007/01/27
Seat 1: Ravageur ($772.35)
Seat 2: spencerwol ($120.80)
Seat 3: Rautakasi ($215.20)
Seat 4: Pitir ($28.60)
Seat 5: TreadWater ($534.55)
Seat 6: Wild Deucer ($254.50)
spencerwol posts the small blind of $1
Rautakasi posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ravageur [Ac Qd]
Pitir folds
TreadWater folds
Wild Deucer folds
Ravageur raises to $7
Pitir adds $74.20
spencerwol calls $6
Rautakasi folds
*** FLOP *** [As 4h 9d]
spencerwol bets $16
Ravageur calls $16
*** TURN *** [As 4h 9d] [2d]
spencerwol bets $48
Ravageur ??? ***So he's basically committed half his chips on this relatively dry board. I don't feel I have any equity if I push, and I also think if I'm going to continue the hand my best line is to just call the turn and call any river bet (at least it gives him a chance to continue bluffing if there's any chance he has air).
HOWEVER, let's hypothetically say that I call the turn and he CHECKS the river to me, do you check behind or put him in for his last 50$ or whatever??? Thanks for any thoughts!

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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Miffed22001

01-27-2007, 01:17 PM

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2. i call a lot here depending on opps opening range and stats.

3. agree you dont need to reraise preflop. You can control most pots and find a range for villain considering its 200bbs deep. As played i bet the flop, check behond and block the river. As you played it i block the river and fold etc to the raise. There is a case for just c/f because you dont beat anything and split at best. Checking the turn is good IMO because you cat stand to be raised here, but would prefer to showdown if you can. But you need to balance this odd line with other hands somehow which i cant really see.

4. I constantly pay half stacks but his turn lead looks scary. I think this is a baorderline fold unless you know opp is a donk, he definatly has at least an ace. Saying that its one of the spots i might minraise the flop and check behind on the turn and consider the river bet considering im in position. Really really need to know what you think of this half buy.

Genitruc

01-27-2007, 01:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

4. I constantly pay half stacks but his turn lead looks scary. I think this is a baorderline fold unless you know opp is a donk, he definatly has at least an ace. Saying that its one of the spots i might minraise the flop and check behind on the turn and consider the river bet considering im in position. Really really need to know what you think of this half buy.

Hey this is Rav still,
I originally thought he was tight but I just rechecked his stats and he has pretty slaggy stats which surprised me (i wasn't using Acehud). His AF is 2.8 which basically makes this an instacall. I didn't know that at the time though. I imagine if we consider him an unknown it's probably a flip whether we want to pay this off or fold the turn.

Thanks for taking the time to read. Ill post results later

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

01-27-2007, 02:27 PM

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Rav you troll. I wake up and find out you're making me look like a noob???

hand 2 : I call/fold only based on table flow and how much you've seen this villain 2/3 bullet. Since you've just won a big pot off villain it depends on how you think he reacts to that (will he "fight back" or is he more likely to not want to get shown up?)

hand 3 : seems like betting turn and check-calling or check/folding river would be pretty good. As played very very tough to fold since you didn't bet turn.

hand 4 : I usually look to get it AI vs a shorty in this spot. If he has a set/2pair gg but usually shorties are ready to go to war with AK so I think you typically have the best hand here. Villain took a confusing line though, I admit...

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

jackvance

01-27-2007, 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

hand 4 : I usually look to get it AI vs a shorty in this spot. If he has a set/2pair gg but usually shorties are ready to go to war with AK so I think you typically have the best hand here. Villain took a confusing line though, I admit...

You're behind AK though, or am I misreading something here?..

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Genitruc

01-27-2007, 04:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

You're behind AK though, or am I misreading something here?..

yeah but typically shorties will look to play ak aggressively preflop

so if a shorty "slowplays" ak then spikes the 2-outer that allows me to double him up, GG. Lots of the time though this is a weaker ace and the shorty's like "ZOMG TOP PAIR AW IN" so I'll usually take AQ to war in a hand like this.

edit : oh I see why my post was misleading. When I said "ready to go to war" I should have specified that I meant getting it in before the flop...

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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