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Cocco_Bill
Old 04-01-2007, 06:38 PM     Post subject: felting AK pre flop #1 (permalink)  
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Opponent is a regular and very aggro 26/22. Observed him 4-bet a high frequency. I don't like felting AK pf too often with full stacks, but some players just force you to or you will get run over. Thoughts, how often will you do this in a cash game?

** Game ID 1296824393 starting - 2007-03-31 22:57:40
** Temptation [Hold 'em] (4.00|8.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Lucky88 sitting in seat 1 with $1908.62
- SayYoureSry sitting in seat 2 with $796.00
- engen sitting in seat 3 with $2444.39 [Dealer]
- LiqdDynamite sitting in seat 4 with $757.60
- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 5 with $868.00
- Bolton sitting in seat 6 with $223.80

LiqdDynamite posted the small blind - $4.00
Cocco_Bill posted the big blind - $8.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :As:, :Ks:
Bolton folded
Lucky88 folded
SayYoureSry raised - $32.00
engen called - $32.00
LiqdDynamite folded
Cocco_Bill raised - $119.00
SayYoureSry raised - $332.00
engen folded
Cocco_Bill went all-in - $757.00
SayYoureSry went all-in - $464.00

** Dealing the flop: , ,

** Dealing the turn:

** Dealing the river:
SayYoureSry shows: :Ah:, :Qs:
Cocco_Bill shows: :As:, :Ks:
Cocco_Bill wins $1625.00 from the main pot

End of game 1296824393
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Old 04-01-2007, 08:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I haven't done this yet, but I'm sure there are good spots for it. Should make your AA and KK more profitable as well.
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Old 04-01-2007, 08:16 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I like it b/c I believe players at this level don't regularly 4bet AA/KK do they?
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Old 04-01-2007, 08:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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the only time i dont do it is when i call the 3 bet and check raise allin on ANY board
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Old 04-01-2007, 09:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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standard for me since you look like you could be squeezing light.
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Old 04-01-2007, 09:52 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 looks pretty standard honestly
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Old 04-01-2007, 09:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I do this a lot. I'm surprised you don't? Maybe part of the reason you make so much more $ than I do...
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Old 04-01-2007, 10:25 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 All in pre with AK at these stakes i think isnt a mistake.
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Old 04-01-2007, 11:11 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:20 AM #10 (permalink)  
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std... i basically never fold AK preflop... possibly to my detriment
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:47 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 According to dan bright, AK is teh nuts.
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:49 AM #12 (permalink)  
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That slick is SOOOOOOTED gimme a break are you ever folding?

Based on your read this is standard and good imo.

My question is this :

Do you typically pitch your AKs if villain is an unknown or a known tight player?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 04-02-2007, 04:14 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I can't remember the last time I folded AK preflop.

Oh yeah, Pavel55's open raise utg lol.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:15 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 I hate AK, it always gets owned by AA/KK when I felt it preflop. But then I do it again...lol

Hand is super standard, really. You have like 3-4 reasons at least to felt this: him 4betting alot, him thinkin ure squeezing, money in da pot is huuge, and last but not least, its soooooted!!!!
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 I folded AK pre recently but i rarely do it.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:15 AM #16 (permalink)  
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What about this one? Opp plays 21/7/3 and I have never seen him 4-bet anyone over more than 200 hands. Would you call considering the stack sizes?

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CO: $34.80
Button: $36.05
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Hero: $105.42

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with
3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, SB raises all-in $66.6, Hero ??
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:19 AM #17 (permalink)  
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 I hate blind wars. You're barely getting the odds to call against a PP and that's without AA/KK in his range. I think AQ has to be in his range a lot for me to make this call.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:24 AM #18 (permalink)  
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 Why would he play like this 120 BB deep with a monster hand?


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Old 04-02-2007, 12:12 PM #19 (permalink)  
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I will always Felt AK, AK(s) Pre... unless all information on player says he only pushes big PP/AK pre! or we our super deep in stack sizes (+300BB)!
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Old 04-02-2007, 12:50 PM #20 (permalink)  
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 Wow. Games are so much more aggressive on yank friendly sites. I fold AK preflop often. I'd say the average player I play with is about 40/6 no exageration.

As for Coco's hand this seems super standard against this player.


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Old 04-02-2007, 02:26 PM #21 (permalink)  
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 i felt AK fairly often. I try not to 200bbs + deep. When i have felted it pre ive seen JJ/QQ much more than AA/KK.
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Old 04-03-2007, 07:41 AM #22 (permalink)  
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I've actually only folded AKs 4 times pre flop in 330k hands. In the games I've been playing its just been rare to get 4 bet or pushed at with 100bb+ stacks. AKs is netting 2,32BB/hand, I don't know how good or bad that is... I also have a fairly tight table image to take into consideration.
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