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Genitruc

03-02-2008, 09:18 PM Post subject: Facing Heat with a big hand 200bb's deep vs loose-passive

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Villain here is loose-passive (41/13/0.7). He called me down with AK unimproved on a drawy board vs my OESFD that blanked and won when I checked down the river.

He built his stack by coolering the table in a huge multi-way pot where he played a big draw passively and hit after calling AI preflop vs 2 villains.

As usual I don’t mind if this seems like an autofistpumpship. But I’m curious what he can have here 200bb’s deep, especially when I’m pretty sure he won’t get aggro with a hand like 56 or T9.

Oh and don't worry about commenting on preflop; I have my reasons.

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, March 02, 16:55:19 ET 2008
Table Table 127937 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: VILLAIN ( $688.76 USD )
Seat 5: JoBlac ( $67.30 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $401 USD )
Seat 3: kelmomo ( $133.50 USD )
Seat 1: Poker_Flow_ ( $125.12 USD )
Seat 6: gord0nloet ( $200 USD )
VILLAIN posts small blind [$1 USD].
JoBlac posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO

gord0nloet folds.
Poker_Flow_ folds.
HERO raises [$7 USD]
kelmomo calls [$7 USD]
VILLAIN calls [$6 USD]
JoBlac raises [$10 USD]
HERO calls [$5 USD]
kelmomo calls [$5 USD]
VILLAIN calls [$5 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

VILLAIN checks.
JoBlac is all-In.
HERO raises [$110.60 USD]
kelmomo folds.
VILLAIN raises [$165.90 USD]
HERO…

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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03-02-2008, 09:24 PM

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I think this is a fold. Have you ever seen him play AA-QQ though?

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Genitruc

03-02-2008, 10:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Massimo

I think this is a fold. Have you ever seen him play AA-QQ though?

nope

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Genitruc

03-03-2008, 02:48 AM

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btw i hate poker fuck it f dsjkfl; sdj;klf jds;klaf j;

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

Deanglow

03-03-2008, 04:10 AM

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I would call because seriously I have trips in a raised pot.

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03-03-2008, 04:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

I would call because seriously I have trips in a raised pot.

Pretty much what I was thinking. I think he definitely could play JJ+ like this. The only thing that worries me is that some of these types would flat those hands. Tough spot really but I'm a station it'd probably call.

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03-03-2008, 06:10 AM

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I'd call but I suck at this game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.

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03-03-2008, 07:24 AM

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

34,650 games 0.032 secs 1,082,812 games/sec

Board: 8h 8d 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.188% 26.48% 12.71% 9176 4402.50 { Td8s }
Hand 1: 60.812% 48.11% 12.71% 16669 4402.50 { 77, A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 84s+, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 86o+ }

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approx. 660 in the pot, with approx 225 behind

he doesn't have to hardly ever be bluffing or show up with an overpair for a call to be correct!

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Originally Posted by Carroters

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Vi-Zer0Skill

03-03-2008, 07:27 AM

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

30,690 games 0.005 secs 6,138,000 games/sec

Board: 8h 8d 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.997% 22.42% 12.58% 6881 3859.50 { Td8s }
Hand 1: 65.003% 52.43% 12.58% 16090 3859.50 { 77, A8s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 85s+, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 87o }

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you would need almost exactly 34% equity to call, if my approximations for the pot size and stack size behind were accurate. This range is without 8-6o and 8-4s.

btw i forgot to mention that i assume villain is going all in, so i counted his stack as part of the pot size.

Quote:

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Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools

Marshall28

03-03-2008, 08:24 AM

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always nice when somebody tells u the math side of it is correct.

this is really a sick spot. when i first looked at it, i thought villain was the minre-raiser, so i was like, oh, get it in for sure. im certainly never happy when i dont have the nuts and a super super passive player is forcing me to make a decision for all my chips, but i think u dont have much of a choice 200bb deep. if u were deeper u could get away from it, but you've already invested too much and you are going to have equity vs every holding, regardless.

Andypandy

03-03-2008, 12:20 PM

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but you've already invested too much and you are going to have equity vs every holding, regardless.

Which equity? If ur behind u have maximum 4 outs (3 tens and one 8 vs pocket 7's) and most likely 3 outs (tens) vs trips with a better kicker.
Or am i missing something?

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Dislexsik

03-03-2008, 01:17 PM

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Shouldnt QQ+ be in his range aswell?

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03-03-2008, 01:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall28

but you've already invested too much and you are going to have equity vs every holding, regardless.

Which equity? If ur behind u have maximum 4 outs (3 tens and one 8 vs pocket 7's) and most likely 3 outs (tens) vs trips with a better kicker.
Or am i missing something?

... 3 outs is equity isnt it? ... lol then u add in all the dead money in the pot, then u add in the probability of other holdings he can have that you are beating ...

dont think you're missing anything ...

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03-03-2008, 04:25 PM

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[quote="Andypandy"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall28

and most likely 3 outs (tens) vs trips with a better kicker.
Or am i missing something?

A) You have more than 3 outs here. (3+3 split on turn and 3+6 split on river.)
B) He shows up with worse kicker sometimes. Ie: I don't know how like 98 is not in his range here.

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03-03-2008, 04:34 PM

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Shouldnt QQ+ be in his range aswell?

Yes, and that is why I call this 100%. I think you guys are really underestimating how bad people play AA these days.

Genitruc

03-03-2008, 07:26 PM

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ok thx for replies i m done making retarded running bad posts for at least a week

villain shipped the cheddar with A8

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

meeloche

03-03-2008, 07:58 PM

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please stop running bad kthx.

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03-03-2008, 08:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Genitruc

ok thx for replies i m done making retarded running bad posts for at least a week

villain shipped the cheddar with A8

Fold flop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sauce123

I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.

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