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Jack Sawyer
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10-29-2009, 09:33 PM
Post subject: Extraction [11 HUSNG]
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This is one of the first hands, so no read. Check or bet river and why, and if we bet how much?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 11+0.50 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Replayer from Poker Hands Replayer
Jizzy Sawya (SB) (t1545)
Button (t1455)
Jizzy Sawya's M: 34.33
Preflop: Jizzy Sawya is SB with  , 
Button bets t60, Jizzy Sawya calls t30
Flop: (t120)  ,  ,  (2 players)
Jizzy Sawya checks, Button bets t120, Jizzy Sawya calls t120
Turn: (t360)  (2 players)
Jizzy Sawya checks, Button bets t360, Jizzy Sawya calls t360
River: (t1080)  (2 players)
Hero (t1005) ?
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devins
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I think you should fold pre, and on river I would shove all in he might check top pair or overpair but I dont think he'd fold and it does look kind of bluffy to some people esp if you snap shove into him.
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devins
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Ok actually I would probably sharkscope him and if he's like -20% or something there's a v good chance he's running some retarded bluff so you can check raise.
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DanAronG
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Firstly, I def wouldn't fold pre. Why would you fold a suited picture card to a min raise HU?
As for river, I guess, we need to think about what villain has.
And I think his range incorporates everything from air to a set. But I would think most likely is 2nd pair, top pair, over pair or overcards. The pot bets are indicative of protecting a hand and bluffing, which is a rather unhelpful statement. But I don't put him on a 3x or 2x.
As such, I wouldn't want to check here, I think you will get a call from tons of hands you beat if he has hit, abd I think he is most likely checking the river with overs.
I think shoving is def an option. Any bet size other than a shove is going to look like you have hit something and are trying to extract, where as a shove may look like a bluff and induce a call from many hands.
So shove is my choice.
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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devins
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Oh yeah definately dont fold to min-raise i thought this was the first hand of tourny so 60 would of been 3x
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DanAronG
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Originally Posted by DanAronG
Firstly, I def wouldn't fold pre. Why would you fold a suited picture card to a min raise HU?
As for river, I guess, we need to think about what villain has.
And I think his range incorporates everything from air to a set. But I would think most likely is 2nd pair, top pair, over pair or overcards. The pot bets are indicative of protecting a hand and bluffing, which is a rather unhelpful statement. But I don't put him on a 3x or 2x.
As such, I wouldn't want to check here, I think you will get a call from tons of hands you beat if he has hit, abd I think he is most likely checking the river with overs.
I think shoving is def an option. Any bet size other than a shove is going to look like you have hit something and are trying to extract, where as a shove may look like a bluff and induce a call from many hands.
So shove is my choice.
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On further thought, maybe betting 400 would be better. Good chance of getting called by most hands that have hit but would fold to a shove, and may induce a shove from hands you beat.
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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Originally Posted by devins
Oh yeah definately dont fold to min-raise i thought this was the first hand of tourny so 60 would of been 3x
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With his bet sizing I'm always checking. 2 pot-sized bets makes it very likely his range is polarised to strong made hands and air, both of which bet this river when checked to.
I would never call the turn with the intention of shoving river. If you think he rarely has a bluff here then just shove turn and avoid the sticky situation that arises when the river's a diamond.
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I would c/jam river and would not really play any postflop street differently. Preflop is whatever its a turbo gamble!!
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He often has a hand he will check back here, so I don't think a C/R is the best option, nor is jamming.
Just bet small.
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There is no real right or wrong answer. IF you were 50 hands deep in teh heads up, you would know if he was gonna call your all in or if he was gonna shove/bluff all in on the river. I think being the first hand of play the best mode of operation is making a smaller bet like in the 400ish range because he will more than likely call if he has anything. If has air and you bet out your not getting paid anyways. On the push all in option it definetly looks like a bluff (like you missed or you are just a nut who wont lose the first hand because you balls are bigger). Either way it works maybe 25% of the time. So If I were you I would prob try to get as many chips as possible by betting something he will def call. Maybe the player flopped a set or something you don't expect and you get check raised on the river.
I didnt even consider playing hte hand differently up to the river, which you easily could of. I believe in getting value for your hands heads up.
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DrStrangeShove
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If its early and I have no profile for villain, Im likely to sit back and profile first. I would put him on some sort of draw. Better flush? I would be likely to bet the turn to get info. I would throw out a 1/3 bet on turn. Whether he raises or calls, it doesnt matter, at least you have a little better idea of what he may have. I would bet a little more than half pot bet the river, maybe even 3/4 pot. Again, his response will give you more info. If he raises all-in at river I would have to put him on flush or straight and I would have to make my best guess. But with no profile its hard to make a decision. My hope would be that he calls me down and I can see his cards. Only because its early. IMO, in HU, knowing the profile is more important than trying to take him down right away.
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I just started playing HU SNG's - so grain of salt and all that. I would lead 500 otr, call a shove, and I like the other streets (even preflop).
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I don't mind a fold pre - this hand plays really poorly 50bb deep when you don't flop a FD.
When you c/c the flop, what's your plan for the other 4 times when you don't make a flush or hit a Q?
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