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noble007
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12-31-2007, 01:25 PM
Post subject: Exploiting habitual c-bettors
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts were on exploiting guys that are c-betting 90/100% of the time.
What board textures, bet sizing etc. is most profitable.
I would imagine low flops/ medium-low un-co-ordinated boards.
Also the frequency (I'd imagine like 1/3?) - if you do this too often it becomes real old real fast, I really think I gain alot of ev by 3betting opponents that are just too aggressive in messing with my own cbets
Also are there any other ways we can take more advantage of missed flops as pre-flop caller.
Ie. multi-way pot we called with SC otb. Original raiser checks which usually means he missed and doesnt want to cbet into multiple callers
so we take a stab.
Maybe I should be raising with more draws on flop?
Is raising a mid pp (77) with one overcard spew against a 17/14 say
on Q64 rainbow flop?
I guess alot depends on whether they are loose/tight post.
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Kits
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I look forward to these answers. I struggle with persistent c-bettors.
Good post.
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gabe
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just raise cbets every now and then, you'll get an idea of it all eventually
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ChrisTheFish
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Yeah, or just float em.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Ash256
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I like calling lots of hands in position and floating dryish flops which have missed a good amount of their range.
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Warpe
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12-31-2007, 04:43 PM
Post subject: Re: Exploiting habitual c-bettors
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OOP: Increase your c/r frequency with sets/pps that you'd usually lead with, occasionally c/r w/draws/air. Chronic c-bet aggression tends to get ramped back when villain is fearful of being c/raised, makes them easier to read when they actually have a hand.
Donk out with draws and with low-mid-pps, sometimes air into flops that miss overcards, are paired or monotone. It's less expensive than a c/r and balances/mixes up your play.
IP: Tend to raise oesds/fds/pps, mix up raising with embracing your inner calling station and floating more, betting the turn when checked to.
Generally, donk out and c/r more often OOP, raise more/float more IP, bluff/semi-bluff more, make villain nervous about c-betting with nothing and tighten him up.
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If they have a high fold to turn bet% or are just plain Aggro and loose, I float them. Against a tighter TAGG type player, I at least make sure I have a few outs, like an A on a K high or Mid PP in case I get called lightly. I also re-raise all my decent draws on the flop. You can't just look for the high C bet %'s, you need to find the right guys. Get a read that they can fold marginal hands first. No Read, No Playing Back.
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IowaSkinsFan
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OOP can be a lot tougher than in pos, because its very hard to figure out good spots to double barrel. When looking for spots to two barrel look for when your likely opponent moves are call/fold rather than fold/raise.
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Ash256
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ISF, floating vs. raising.
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noble007
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Thanks for the responses guys, most helpful & happy new year! (for later)
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IowaSkinsFan
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Factors:
-How much they give up after cbetting
-How much they fold to a raise
-Board texture (look at my second post in this thread, there's a relationship)
-Range you can rep (important)
You can figure it out from there, ofc there are more factors too.
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Fnord
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1) Fold less
2) Pretty much ignore HU flop bets when putting them on a range
From there the answers aren't hard. Also, it really depends on flop texture and how loose they are.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Think about what flops will almost always get c-bet. Then float and c/r them more often.
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