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eragotte
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01-28-2010, 03:27 AM
Post subject: exploiting a good read...
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Villain is a decent reg who gets some concepts but doesn't think deeply or play particularly well. He probably does alright because most people at this limit on iPoker are quite bad and he doesn't take big risks.
So i have been playing a fair amount against him and noticed that he constantly cbets flops (like almost every time) and ive never seen him barrel a turn without a good hand and also never seen him check a turn and then call/raise. he cbets then double barrels good hands and c/fs bad hands. He is 3betting from the blinds like AJs+ AQ+ TT+/maybe 99. Without reads I usually just toss A10s in this position but i call with the plan to call any flop bet (unless its a weird size that changes my read or if i flop a hand that deserves a raise) and then folding the turn if he bets again (again assuming i have air) or betting any turn when he checks to me and if he calls generally shoving most rivers.
do u think this plan is profitable until he adjusts? if not please specify how you would exploit his stupidness
iPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - iPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) ($51.77)
Button ($55.57)
SB ($10)
BB ($54.48)
UTG ($57.11)
MP ($47.83)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , 10
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $4
Flop: ($11.25) Q , 6 , 6 (2 players)
BB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75
Turn: ($24.75) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14.50
Total pot: $24.75
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Micro2Macro
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as played I kinda like a delay float better
waiting to see what others have to say on this..
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zook
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given reads I think it's good and you should shove river if he calls turn
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ilikeaces86
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Looks good to me given your read.
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griffey24
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Yah looks fine. I'd probably just check back turn and bet river when checked to. Keeps your range much wider.
Here your range is mostly Qx and probably mostly only good Qx hands. If you check back turn and he cks river, your range can be much wider. Almost all pairs even, certainly TT-Qx type stuff. You also have more information about the weakness of his hand after he checks twice and you risk getting bombed on turn as played.
It's just a playing style thing though.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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eragotte
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Here your range is mostly Qx and probably mostly only good Qx hands. If you check back turn and he cks river, your range can be much wider. Almost all pairs even, certainly TT-Qx type stuff. You also have more information about the weakness of his hand after he checks twice and you risk getting bombed on turn as played.
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wouldn't I want my range to be more narrow? so i can get him off 99-JJ more consistently? but ya I see the c/bomb risk for sure
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minSim
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Originally Posted by eragotte
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Here your range is mostly Qx and probably mostly only good Qx hands. If you check back turn and he cks river, your range can be much wider. Almost all pairs even, certainly TT-Qx type stuff. You also have more information about the weakness of his hand after he checks twice and you risk getting bombed on turn as played.
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wouldn't I want my range to be more narrow? so i can get him off 99-JJ more consistently? but ya I see the c/bomb risk for sure |
He isn't folding JJ-99. Your general purpose floating a board like this in a 3bet pot is getting villain of his non-pair cards. In your case getting AK-AJ to fold.
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eragotte
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He isn't folding JJ-99. Your general purpose floating a board like this in a 3bet pot is getting villain of his non-pair cards. In your case getting AK-AJ to fold.
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you think 99 continues here? that is pretty marginal since i play AQ the same as how I played this. If i am only getting AJ/AK to fold then this is doubtfully +EV since I put like 25 bb in before firing the turn bullet...
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griffey24
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Well, it's possible he will fold hands like 99-JJ but I guarantee your one turn barrel won't get it done. So if you're willing to go crazy firing turn AND river barrels, that's a different matter.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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minSim
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Agree with griffey about getting JJ-99 to fold. I also think that's such a narrow range to fold that it isn't worth double barreling turn+river.
I also wonder how you state villains 3betting range to be
"AJs+ AQ+ TT+/maybe 99", because that's not a general 50NL 3betting range and I assume there are 'air' hands in his range as well.
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eragotte
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Agree with griffey about getting JJ-99 to fold. I also think that's such a narrow range to fold that it isn't worth double barreling turn+river.
I also wonder how you state villains 3betting range to be
"AJs+ AQ+ TT+/maybe 99", because that's not a general 50NL 3betting range and I assume there are 'air' hands in his range as well.
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he has no reason to think im raising CO light and doesnt have the game in him to 3bet light either way. if he calls turn im like always barrelling river and if i cant get 99-jj to fold then i think this is bad in general... im assuming the ppl that said it looks fine were agreeing that he will fold those hands or tldr'd my post and made their own 3betting ranges for villain?
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minSim
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Maybe generally an opponent will fold 99+TT and call JJ or so, depending on the river card and just to get some frequency of folding and calling in here. I still think that's too narrow of a range to bluff 2 streets for.
IF your 3betting range for villain is spot on, of course betting 2 streets to get him of JJ-99 is right. But you're never 100% sure of it.
I also think almost anyone's 3betting range has at least some air hands in them.
If you're not opening light and therefor think villain won't 3bet you light, he's definately not 3betting 99, very unlikely TT, maybe not JJ and AJ+AQ are unsure.
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eragotte
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hmm okay, I follow
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