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Old 01-02-2008, 02:44 PM     Post subject: Easy spot with AQ i think may be hard #1 (permalink)  
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 Opp is laggy player, 23/19 or so, but really don't know anything about him besides his laggy stats.

I mean normally if he raised from the CO or the BU or i have some reads about his postflop tendencies ill look people up very light here, but here he raised UTG and called. I have a light threebetting image. I of course folded, but im wondering maybe if its close? If I threebet his CO raise and he called do you call here? how about he was on the BU and me from the blinds?

I'm thinking I should check behind the flop too here. Looking back I think the best move is check behind for sure.

POKERSTARS GAME #14256263524: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/01/01 - 20:00:56 (ET)
Table 'Adalberta IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: binostar ($1505.15 in chips)
Seat 3: ImUnforgiven ($799.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Mckittrick19 ($406 in chips)
Seat 5: heybude ($388 in chips)
Seat 6: Kirschberg66 ($3964.05 in chips)
binostar: posts small blind $2
donkzilla: is sitting out
ImUnforgiven: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Qc Ac]
donkzilla leaves the table
Mckittrick19: raises $12 to $16
heybude: raises $36 to $52
Kirschberg66: folds
binostar: folds
ImUnforgiven: folds
Mckittrick19: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [Th 4c Ks]
Mckittrick19: checks
isreal11 joins the table at seat #2
heybude: bets $72
Mckittrick19: raises $282 to $354 and is all-in
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Old 01-02-2008, 02:58 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hey ISF, do you look at the pos stats of your regulars and attach them as notes in-game? I find it really handy, especially because at 50nl the players who DO play decent position pre-flop a) are fairly rare and b) tend to be better in all areas of the game.

But even among them, I would expect to find one 23/19 who raises 10% utg and the next who raises 16% utg, which is a big enough difference to have a significant effect on your play against him.
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 You wanna say check back because you were c/r'ed.

I check this flop back for a few reasons.

1. You can still be given credit for a hand if you fire the turn (you might check back AK, KK, AA, etc... here)
2. You have some bd equity and a gutterball
3. You're up against an aggro player and betting presents the possibilty of getting blown off a hand with a lot of equity

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1. Fold out a lot of his range, including hands 77-99 and maybe slightly better hands like an 9Ts (not sure if he calls your 3bet here with it).

As played I almost want to call, I'm at work, what's your equity against his shoving range here?
2. Could set up a profitable turn-shove, that is if you turn the bd flush draw or some other sort of equity (A/Q)
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 I know it's a shove dude, what's our equity against a hand range that most certainly include some air/gutshot/underpair type hands?
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Hey ISF, do you look at the pos stats of your regulars and attach them as notes in-game? I find it really handy, especially because at 50nl the players who DO play decent position pre-flop a) are fairly rare and b) tend to be better in all areas of the game.

But even among them, I would expect to find one 23/19 who raises 10% utg and the next who raises 16% utg, which is a big enough difference to have a significant effect on your play against him.
Yeah, i dont have them up, my HUD is already pretty cluttered, but thats a nice suggestion, worth a try!

And Spenda I didn't say i should check because i was c/r, i rarely expect to get c/r here, that's not the reason. But you do bring up a great point about profitable turn shove if a Bd fd hits (In your post you said why check back, but the bd only helps if he folds a Tx, QQ-JJ which he surely isn't unless we two barrel). If his range preflop is TT+, AQ, KQ, AJ which would be the tightest, then if he calls the flop with AA-TT, KQ he's folding 33% of his range on the turn and we have some decent equity against sets and AA, so it would be a very marginal turn bet. But with a likely looser range, QJs-76s, 99-77, it's still not that great as he likely only adds in folds with JT and T9.

The other reasons you made for checking back were good to, one big one for me is he likely has a tight calling range UTG and this flop hit a lot of his range. And if he called light preflop it was likely with the intention to bluff a lot.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Since he shoved the hand looks a little pre-planned. But against a complete unknown i just don't see how you can call here.

Checking the flop seems wayyy better than betting.
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Old 01-05-2008, 08:24 PM #8 (permalink)  
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y r we so angry about folding a gutshot?

i usually bet flop
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 another question, why is he shoving this flop? What hand makes sense for him to check/shove? I don't get it.
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 I'm not looking for hands we beat, I'm wondering, out of the hands that beat us, which one's c/shove this flop.
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 He could be shoving pp's 99 and under here.
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