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Old 12-08-2006, 07:19 PM     Post subject: easy fold or standard crying call? #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #7354373530: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/12/08 - 15:15:36 (ET)
Table 'Neckar IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gtp9998 ($373 in chips)
Seat 2: sitandwin ($200 in chips)
Seat 3: dag1234 ($174.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Maalox149 ($291.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Tulkku ($193.30 in chips)
Seat 6: chardrian ($200.30 in chips)
dag1234: posts small blind $1
Maalox149: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chardrian [Ad Tc]
Tulkku: folds
chardrian: raises $6 to $8
gtp9998: folds
sitandwin: folds
dag1234: calls $7
Maalox149: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs Ah Td]
dag1234: checks
chardrian: bets $12
dag1234: calls $12
*** TURN *** [Qs Ah Td] [Kd]
dag1234: checks
chardrian: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qs Ah Td Kd] [9h]
dag1234: bets $42
chardrian: ??
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Old 12-08-2006, 07:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I probably fold because he either has a straight or something really bad (A good hand would check here I think?), and he called the flop so he must have something.
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Old 12-08-2006, 07:30 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 12-08-2006, 07:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I disagree that calling the flop means he has anything, but I am not beating much either.
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Old 12-08-2006, 07:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 it's just not a favorable spot for him to bluff and its almost impossible he's betting that much for value with a worse two pair. give him a little credit for calling the flop out of position.
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I agree with the fold, but I disagree with a lot of comments so far. Maybe I'm seeing sumtin different than u guys in my short time playing, but people seem to defend their blinds with anything that has a moderate chance to crack.

I would give credit if he reraised, but his coldcall preflop means nothing to me. His call on the flop meant TJQ or A to me. Maybe a turn bet on my part would have defined his hand better.
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Old 12-08-2006, 08:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 12-08-2006, 08:39 PM #8 (permalink)  
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it all depends on your history with villain. if he s been aggro and you ve been tangling I like a call

if you have no history of confrontations i can find a fold. Thing is, his bet only makes sense if he thinks you re a fish and wants you to "think he's bluffing". Very tough to give advice here imo. Other thing to consider is you're obviously scared here, so he almost HAS to bluff if he s not horrible...
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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 Doesn't look like blind defence to me, your raise from MP is no steal. Plus that is the weakest defending of a blind I have ever seen, call, call, check, then bet on the super scary river.

I see him having QJ TJ way too much here. Everything in his hand up to this point says he has something. If you have no reason to believe this person is capable of a bluff then there's no reason to call. He called you preflop OOP then again on the flop then makes a fair sized bet on a dangerous board, I say give him some credit.


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Doesn't look like blind defence to me..., He called you preflop OOP then again on the flop then makes a fair sized bet on a dangerous board, I say give him some credit.
And then he flips over 7Js and that whole theory goes out the window.
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