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rewfie40
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03-12-2009, 01:30 AM
Post subject: Easy fold right?
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I have noted on villain that he is quite aggressive, and sees me as aggressive but has not really gotten out of line. After calling my flop my range for him was AhXh, JJ, QQ, KK and sets. I'm fairly certain this is a fold just wanted to make sure. Also, does my flop range seem about right?
Eleshar 1 $86.65
offsuitbluff 2 $44.55
rewfie40 3 $90.10
sm0kezy 4 $69.40
Skiersdgr 5 $29.35
SmittyY2K 6 $43.70
rewfie40 Ante/Small blind $ 0.25
sm0kezy Big blind/Bring in $ 0.50
rewfie40 Card dealt to a spot Ac Ad
Skiersdgr Fold
SmittyY2K Fold
Eleshar Raise to $ 1.75
offsuitbluff Fold
rewfie40 Raise to $ 6.50
sm0kezy Fold $ 0.50
Eleshar Call $ 4.75
Betting round completed Last active pot = $13.50
Card dealt to table 9h 8c 4h
rewfie40 Bet $ 10.00
Eleshar Call $ 10.00
Betting round completed Last active pot = $33.50
Card dealt to table 2h
rewfie40 Bet $ 22.00
Eleshar All-in $ 70.15
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bigspenda73
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idk I tend to think someone this aggro would jam a lot of draws on the flop and be capable of semi-bluffing the turn a lot.
edit: noticed you're like 180bb deep, certainly changes the dynamics
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XIIGermanIIX
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I like the pre-flop raise, but the post flop bet was a little too low, at least for my taste... if you bet like 35-40, i am sure he'll get off his draw, if he was even on it... because why would he go all in on you after he hit his flush? I mean he wasnt looking for his value there at all... maybe just "over" representing a flush. If I hit that on you, I'd at least let you bet the river one more time, and then I could still go all in. This way he runs you off after the turn. Seems that he should know that you have a monster hand.
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Marshall28
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I wouldn't put AhXh in his flop calling range since I'd expect anyone remotely aggressive to raise that on the flop since it puts you in a really tough spot w/ hands like TT-KK, which actually makes it kinda hard for him to have a flush here when you think about it....
Here's what's weird about it. On a flop of 894hh, an aggressive player is going to be raising all combo draws w/ intention of getting it in, so hands like 56hh 67hh 8Xhh T7hh JThh QJhh QThh AXhh all should raise flop. That leaves hands like 2Xhh 3Xhh and Kxhh as only possible flushes. I think we could safely take those combinations out of his range for calling preflop. Would he flat a set on the flop? I say no if he's raising when the 3rd heart comes... that's incongruent, he would likely just flat again to induce bluffs or hope the board pairs. I dunno, I think you're good here like pretty often, I'd call.
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rewfie40
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Marshall, I like your analysis of the hand but what hands that i beat would you expect him to be shoving here? I think when I put KK in his flop calling range that was a mistake because I would expect him to 4 bet that pre.
I guess I just didn't think he would be capable of turning QQ or JJ into a bluff here but I am really beginning to second guess myself.
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bigspenda73
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is it possible that it's 50nl and he doesn't realize he's turning jj/qq into a bluff and is just afraid to play a river?
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swiggidy
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
is it possible that it's 50nl and he doesn't realize he's turning jj/qq into a bluff and is just afraid to play a river?
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And if he has a heart he has equity even if behind.
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Marshall28
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He can have KQhh KJhh and KThh so what I said before doesn't really make sense. Probably don't listen to me.
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Renton
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i wouldn't make that bet on the turn with the intention of folding to an all in
you should probably bet considerably smaller or check eval turn
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grimreaper007
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i would probably call to be honest i would assume ur ahead if not sorry
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somethings you just have to learn.... but i cant learn this game
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will641
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Originally Posted by XIIGermanIIX
I like the pre-flop raise, but the post flop bet was a little too low, at least for my taste... if you bet like 35-40, i am sure he'll get off his draw, if he was even on it.
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^^^ awesome. betting 3x the pot on the flop makes such sense! how didn't i think of it earlier.
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Genitruc
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no no no this is not an easy fold at all
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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surviva316
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
edit: noticed you're like 180bb deep, certainly changes the dynamics
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meaning you think it'd be more likely that he's flatting with drawing hands preflop more?
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javierloco09
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that's incongruent, he would likely just flat again to induce bluffs or hope the board pairs
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super thanks you very much !
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bjsaust
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I tend to think this is a set more than a flush.
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ChroNus
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ofcourse it's not an easy fold. 
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