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johnny_fish

05-31-2006, 08:28 PM Post subject: Downswings

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Post your biggest (down)swing here. I'd like to see some comparable stuff to get some confidence back

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natdang

05-31-2006, 08:32 PM

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Yikes... Well my record is three buyins in three hands.

dalecooper

05-31-2006, 08:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by natdang

Yikes... Well my record is three buyins in three hands.

Ahem TILT ahem hem haw.

I lost 7 buyins in about seven hours once. Not sure how many hands but I was single-tabling, so it wasn't all that many. The loss was evenly distributed between bad beats and me overplaying hands out of frustration.

johnnyBuz

05-31-2006, 09:09 PM

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i lost 5 buyins in like 2 hours yesterday. i had an absolutely atrocious session and was completely thrown for a loop. i was making some very bad plays and not catching cards where i needed to catch them.

yuck. so i'm just doing some $11's on PP now. they seem to be easier then the $5+.50s on PS.

Liter of cola.

alias2211

05-31-2006, 09:17 PM

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hang in there, dude. just keep playing solid poker and you'll pull through. i don't have a graph, but my worst was similar to yours. it was like 17-18 buyins over probably about 25k hands. it started at 5-10nl, and i ended up dropping back down to 2-4nl just to regain some confidence (which helped a lot, and probably saved me some cash, too). at any rate it was over $10k by the time it ended, ugh. it did come right after a big upswing so i didn't go busto, but it's still tough when you're in the middle of it. fyi, i've had at least 3 of these large swings since i started playing online and tracking stats 2+ yrs. ago, maybe more. i fully expect there will be some more, but at least now i practice some better bankroll management techniques so they don't scare me as much.

In answer to your question... it depends...
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aislephive

05-31-2006, 09:53 PM

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I've had quite a few 5-6 buyin downswings before but not too many 10+ buyin downswings. One of my good buddies who plays 10/20 on Party has had a lot of sick downswings in a far shorter span of hands. Honestly you should take a break from poker, maybe a week or two to clear your head.

gabe

05-31-2006, 10:03 PM

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gabe is an unknown quantity at this point

ive played abuot 100k hands of shorthanded poker and never had anything close to a 20 buyin drop. ive had 10 buyin drops happen 3 or 4 times, though.

Lukie

06-01-2006, 01:06 AM

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johnny I dropped about 13 buyins at 2/4 NL last week. I havn't played a whole lot since, but I've gotten about 2 of them back. Fuzzy math, it's all in my blog though.

johnny_fish

06-01-2006, 02:12 AM

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Just played for 2 hours, dropped another 4 buy-ins with some awful play. I'm taking a few days off now. I'm going to post these hands to remind myself later to always play good or just don't play at all.

First hand. Villain is a solid Tag, I put him on a middle pair and I tried to represent a 5 or something better. Should've folded flop/turn.

Stack sizes:
UTG: $495.48
UTG+1: $225.70
Hero: $430.20
Button: $495.26
SB: $544.00
BB: $348.30

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 7

UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 5

($16, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $16, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Turn: J

($48, 2 players)
UTG bets $32, Hero raises to $96, UTG calls.

River: 5

($240, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $240
Hero shows 7s 8s
UTG shows As 3s

Second hand. No reads, felt like shorty was testing with 88/air so I pushed. First class donk play.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $411.00
Hero: $407.40
Button: $678.60
SB: $681.36
BB: $147.90

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K

UTG folds, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6

($34, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB raises to $40, Hero raises to $200, BB calls all-in $95.9.
Uncalled bets: $64.1 returned to Hero.

Turn: 7

($305.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $305.8)

River: 3

($305.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $305.8)

Results:
Final pot: $305.8
BB shows Jh Ah

Third hand. Villain is 23/14 or something. Thoughts?

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $410.00
CO: $79.88
Button: $317.35
SB: $388.00
BB: $387.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $16, CO calls, Button folds, SB raises to $60, BB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 7

($188, 3 players)
SB bets $75, Hero raises all-in $348, CO calls all-in $17.88, SB calls all-in $253.
Uncalled bets: $20 returned to Hero.

Turn: 2

($861.88, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $241.64, Sidepot 1: $620.24)

River: 7

($861.88, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $241.64, Sidepot 1: $620.24)

Results:
Final pot: $861.88
SB shows Ac Ah
CO shows 9d 9s

Fourth hand. Same Villain. Not much I can do here probably.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $345.10
CO: $249.35
Button: $821.88
SB: $483.50
Hero: $428.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K

2 folds, Button raises to $15, SB folds, Hero raises to $44, Button calls.

Flop: 3

($94, 2 players)
Hero bets $65, Button raises to $160, Hero raises all-in $319, Button calls.

Turn: J

($797, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $732, Sidepot 1: $65)

River: A

($797, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $732, Sidepot 1: $65)

Results:
Final pot: $797
Button shows 3c 3d

Hand #5. Villain's notes says he's bad, no details. Thoughts?

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6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1168.90
UTG+1: $425.35
CO: $250.10
Button: $122.20
Hero: $532.00
BB: $768.00

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 6

($66, 2 players)
Hero bets $40, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: K

($146, 2 players)
Hero bets $100, UTG+1 calls.

River: 3

($346, 2 players)
Hero bets $200, UTG+1 raises all-in $253.35, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $852.7
UTG+1 shows 4c Ad

Last hand. Villain is a decent regular. This is just tilt and I quit right after. I knew what he had on the turn and still called my stack off. I suck.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $142.00
UTG+1: $406.50
Hero: $710.60
Button: $251.50
SB: $403.40
BB: $360.60

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $16, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3

($52, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $45, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: 5

($142, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $124, Hero calls.

River: 7

($390, 2 players)
UTG+1 is all-in $221.5, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $833
UTG+1 shows Kd Ks

dsaxton

06-01-2006, 02:47 AM

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Fourth hand: Why are you pushing this flop? This is a terrible flop for you. Just fold to the raise.

natdang

06-01-2006, 04:10 AM

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hand 1: wtf? pot was yours with a river bet... but what the hell is going on here? villain doesn't really look like a solid tag calling that turn raise.

r8ed

06-01-2006, 05:21 AM

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Those are some tough hands - especially when you are down on your luck coupled with mini-tilt. You expect you'll get a break but it does not come. Plus, any time you feel you get a slight edge, you're itching to win back a buyin.

You'll come back - you are too good not to. You had a nice steady progression before the peak. Take your time and play steady again.

theDEEPdish

06-01-2006, 06:16 AM

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when I first started playing, before i found FTR, I said fuck it when I had 127 dollars left in my bank roll and jumped to the 5/10 limit tables built it up to 1300 in 2 weeks and lost 1100 in six days you feel like god when you win it and like shit when you loose it

SmackinYaUp

06-01-2006, 04:06 PM

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In December I had about 4k worth of bankroll and played some 200NL and got my ass kicked. I dropped down to 100NL and got my ass kicked, I dropped down to 50NL and got my ass kicked. I was trying to play lag and wasn't really counting on poker for any bills since I was working...I played like shit and didnt post here much. In January my bankroll was down to $660. Talk about wanting to win a lot of money back quickly...

I took a break, went back to the solid TAG style, and set my mind on rebuilding. I hit a $500 hollywood poker bonus and played 25NL and then hit $1k and moved up to 50NL and maybe hit another bonus. Then I switched to a badass rakeback deal at carnaval poker and played 100NL and kicked ass + got a load of rakeback back. Hit $6K in May and switched to party 200NL and ran good, moved to party 400NL and ran good and hit $12k yesterday. Tried two tabling 600NL and moved my ass right the hell back down to 400nl. I wish I had a graph for all this.

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lambchopdc

06-02-2006, 08:44 AM

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Downswing?

Thats 23 buyins in under 4k hands and then +5 ptbb/100 since

natdang

06-02-2006, 06:47 PM

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Wow, that's f'in crazy!!!
Inspirational indeed lambchop.

johnny_fish

06-02-2006, 10:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by natdang

Wow, that's f'in crazy!!!
Inspirational indeed lambchop.

QFT.

Btw, a part of my recent slump is maybe because the regulars don't pay me off anymore? They're running PT on me too of course.. Anyone notice this effect when he/she entered a new site or moved to higher stakes?

Lukie

06-02-2006, 10:34 PM

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johnny give me an IM sometime

r8ed

06-02-2006, 10:48 PM

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Can't you change your name on party every 6 months? I never have but I think it was lampchop that told me that.

bdawg56kg

06-13-2006, 10:58 AM

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Currently in the middle of a 10 buy-in downswing in under 4k hands. I feel like shooting myself.

midas06

06-13-2006, 12:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by r8ed

Can't you change your name on party every 6 months?

yes

biondino

06-13-2006, 12:35 PM

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This was last year - note the 6k hands at 40BB/100 immediately before the 12-buyin downswing:

Lukie

06-13-2006, 06:35 PM

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bdawg u fish

Lukie

06-13-2006, 06:47 PM

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Variance is brutal. For example, I've been doing really well in the 1/2 game lately. But yesterday for instance, I played a bit over 4,000 hands, and I had a 7 buyin downswing that followed a 5 buyin upswing. Coincidentially, I finished the day down about 2 buyins. Minor (yes minor) stuff like that just happens. That happened at 1/2 though so that's not accounted for in the graph.

The graph shows my journeys at NL400 and NL600 (the NL600 was for an insignificant amount of hands, but it accounted for about -2K during a period which is pretty easy to spot

) Also, this doesn't count the NL400 and NL600 I played back in my days as a newb on pacific.

alreet

06-13-2006, 10:05 PM

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I lost 6 buyins this morning, got 5 of them back now tho. 6max on party is like a big dipper its crazy out there. Biggest down swing ive had is 17 in about 15k hands.

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