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Reidak
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08-18-2007, 02:25 AM
Post subject: Down 15 buy ins at 50nl, in under 10K hands
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
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Yeah, its sickeningly true. Heres the stats
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
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lol @ FT's 50nl game.
Change sites dude.
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 566
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Cant, really. Neteller wont let me do anything with funds. Ill do an exchange in increments with someone on ftr, if they are willing. Wheres a good 50-200nl site?
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
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you check too much
You don't cBet enough
Yo don't bet the river enough
you fold too much.
When I see a guy that folds to a river bet 60%+++ I bet every time, you fold 73.85%. and go to showdown only 22%. Dude if you bet the river I fold. If you Cbet I fold. Start betting more, not always, more.
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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Originally Posted by Jishu
Cant, really. Neteller wont let me do anything with funds. Ill do an exchange in increments with someone on ftr, if they are willing. Wheres a good 50-200nl site? |
pretty much stars. I guess you could go to PP too since you live in canadia.
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
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It probably doesnt help that im running like absolute shit, not to make excuses. I feel that my preflop play is pretty solid. Good positional play.
I guess the problem is in my betting.
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|~|ypermegachi
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
When I see a guy that folds to a river bet 60%+++ I bet every time.
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interesting...what should be an ideal stat here?
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snowbird4life
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 246
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No offense, but it seems you have some serious leaks and your obviously running pretty bad. Switching sites isn't a bad suggestion, even if it may be more of psychological thing. It seems like you play too weak if you ask me. Try switching things up and taking the advice trainer said. Also, keep posting more hands especially the hands in which you lose big pots. I don't know if this applies to you but some people i know with similar stats are kind of tight/solid most of the time and then just go off randomly and lose big pots. Not saying this applies to you, but here is a suggestion that i think is really good for a lot of people:
While you are playing keep notepad open, and note every big pot you have lost. Your playing 50nl so make a note of any pot you have lost over $15 is my suggestion. Note the amount lost, the hand you had/he had, how it went down. Do this for every big pot of your session and save the file as "Big Pot losses for August 17th" etc. Later on review your play on the big pots you lost and see what you may have done wrong. In the heat of the moment you may think you played it perfect, so be sure to review them the next day. Look up the hand in pt, and see if you made mistakes. If your not sure, or you are confused in anyway, post the hand here.
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 566
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Yeah, i usually go to session in pokertracker and go through m tables.
Im going to make en epic post tommorow or the day after where I put all my big hands in it from my past 2 sessions.
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SmackinYaUp
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
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wait in PT does fold to river bet mean only when you check and the opponent bets or does PT consider raises as well? If PT considers raises as well, you may be bet-folding too much and not check-calling enough. I don't know just a random thought, good luck to you I hate downswings.
oh also post some hands where you made folds in bigger pots
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
lol @ FT's 50nl game.
Change sites dude.
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is it really much tougher than stars? i planned on hanging around there for a while once the roll gets back up. i have rb there too which is a plus.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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You couldn't pay me to play on Full Tilt.
Seriously you cannot pay me, Full Tilt shut down my accounts.
In all seriousness it's the toughest site there is to play on for the lower stakes. TAGG tables across the board, at least on stars you don't have to look too hard for some whales.
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EzDuzIt
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Green Bay
Posts: 915
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i cant imagine either of them being tough. why not play at party?
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martindcx1e
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
i cant imagine either of them being tough. why not play at party?
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this is what i was thinking...hard to imagine a $50nl game anywhere being tough with regulars everywhere. i would be all over party in a heartbeat if i could though that is for sure.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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martindcx1e
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
You couldn't pay me to play on Full Tilt.
Seriously you cannot pay me, Full Tilt shut down my accounts.
In all seriousness it's the toughest site there is to play on for the lower stakes. TAGG tables across the board, at least on stars you don't have to look too hard for some whales. |
is $100nl just as bad or does it get better?
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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I Like Pie
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
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If you are non-U.S. don't play at PS or FT, you have better options. If you haven't started bonus whoring yet, get on it.
If you haven't signed up at Party or Empire yet get on there cause it's the softest site in the world and you can whore their deposit bonus while you're at it. After that I recommend Everest.
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EzDuzIt
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Green Bay
Posts: 915
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the games at full tilt really arent that bad especially at night. if you actually put some effort into table selection you can get a lot of good seats.
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Anosmic
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sweden
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If you're pre-flop play is so solid why is BTN pfr < CO pfr and BTN prf= HJ pfr?
I got pulled up on this in my thread, it's worth rethinking. I found Sauce's Guide helpful. I.e. really consider junking AJ and AQo UTG, at least to start with.
I know you're winning more often than not (and when you're a winning player you can ask if there's value going to waste there) but right now it seems either you're not getting value from your big hands, or you're paying too much to see more streets with your losing hands.
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Originally Posted by TrainerJyms
When I see a guy that folds to a river bet 60%+++ I bet every time, you fold 73.85%. and go to showdown only 22%. Dude if you bet the river I fold. If you Cbet I fold. Start betting more, not always, more.
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This assumes most rivers are HU and that not too many hands are checked down. I don't know if this stat is really worth that much.
If you care, go into filters and check "folded to a river bet" and see.
For instance over the last 8k hands I have folded to river bet of 75%. Which sounds high, except when you look at the 82 hands in question 55 of them I was the BB and checked to the river and folded with nothing and includes times when you have to bet/fold.
Sure I could start attacking these tiny pots OOP with nothing, but let's face it, there are bigger issues at stake than $1.50 pots you may have been able to pick up.
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Kits
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Australia
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I  party. $25nl euro players are just horrible and $50nl players aren't much better. It's spewtastic!
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
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Hi
17/12 meh
FTP does kinda suck, I'd go to like ongame, party, or microgaming/ prima.
pfr is too static, I think ideal is that your button should double ur first to act, I think my UTG i pfr 13 and on the button it is 25 or 26.
I don't think you c bet enough. I don't think I c bet as much as tagg robots here but mine is still 51%. Doesn't mean you should start c betting into 2 or 3 people though w/ out hand.
I'd check out Sauces post, and ISF post on b/f
Also post some hands where you lose big pots.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
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And Ansomic nailed the river bet thing. Do u really have that on ur HUD TJ?
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
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I already did the bonus whoring thing. Party/empire/pr/hw/ft for the win. Id really like to switch sites, where I can get some rakeback, im not allowed to at FT.
Anyways, neteller has stopped gaming transactions as we know. What is the best option for myself to get money on a new site?
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Reidak
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Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 566
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Lol christmasaments. I reinstalled party and it still had my login info, i log in and theres $131 in my account. Yay
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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Originally Posted by Jishu
Anyways, Neteller has stopped gaming transactions as we know. What is the best option for myself to get money on a new site? |
epassporte is the best option nowadays.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
Posts: 2,797
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moneybookers?
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|~|ypermegachi
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
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for americans, epass is the best/only option
everyone else has moneybookers/click2pay/instadebit/etc
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overflow
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Flush
Join Date: May 2007
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I straight deposited to AP with a credit card, but I agree epassporte is definitely not a bad solution for US players. Although they whack you $5/$100 (fixed, so $101 and $199 both cost $10. Anything under $100 is $5)
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martindcx1e
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by overflow
I straight deposited to AP with a credit card, but I agree epassporte is definitely not a bad solution for US players. Although they whack you $5/$100 (fixed, so $101 and $199 both cost $10. Anything under $100 is $5)
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i just deposited $200 to epassporte like 3 weeks ago and was only charged $2.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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