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Genitruc
Old 05-10-2007, 02:44 AM     Post subject: Double Donk-Lead Hits Top Pair #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain has solid taggy stats (18/15/2) and hasn’t gotten out of line so far.

I have been pretty well-behaved as well.

I lead a variety of hands/flops but he doesn’t know that.

$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 09, 21:34:52 ET 2007
Table Table 127461 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Chaumont1 ( $457.10 USD )
Seat 3: Ga_nesha ( $868.60 USD )
Seat 4: MKIIB ( $948.50 USD )
Seat 6: Sarah1978111 ( $400 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $457 USD )
Seat 2: ItsMrFish2U ( $404.30 USD )
MKIIB posts small blind [$2 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
Sarah1978111 folds.
Chaumont1 folds.
ItsMrFish2U raises [$16 USD]
Ga_nesha folds.
MKIIB folds.
HERO calls [$12 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** ( Pot : 38$)



HERO bets [$22 USD]
ItsMrFish2U calls [$22 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** (Pot : 80$)



HERO bets [$66 USD]
ItsMrFish2U calls [$66 USD]

** Dealing River ** (Pot : 212$)



HERO…
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i like check calling
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if he doesn't have a made hand wouldn't he fold to your bet

If he has KQ or AK wouldn't he raise your river bet and you'd lose more $

If you check and he bets, you'll lose less if he has you beat and win more if you have him beat by allowing him to take a stab
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:21 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I mean I just don't know how he gets to the river with air, so what are we expecting him to bluff with? I either b/f or c/f. I guess it depends whether you think he'd raise AA or KK on the flop.
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 AJ, JQ, QQ, TT all check behind on river, so betting wouldn't be too bad.
Then again, he might be folding to a 3rd barrel with those types of hands.

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What is he betting with that we beat??? Do you guys put him on like a horribly played bottom pair that's going to turn itself into a bluff or something? I think like 100% of his range has showdown value here, and he'd check behind with the hands we beat and bet with the hands that we lose to. Seems like check calling loses the most when behind and wins the least when ahead.
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 I'd bet smallish on river half pot or so, fold to push

c/r turn sometimes, too
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 Mcat's point is really what was spinning through my head in the heat of the moment :

wtf worse hand can he have that will value-bet the river if I check my super-strong line to him?

I think both shoving and check-folding have a lot of merit.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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wow, what a funny hand. Plays easier if you whiff the river!
What can he have here?
straight - probably not, needs exactly T8, and prolly raises turn.
two pair - KJ? J9? maybe.
set - I can't fathom no raise by the turn - there's no reason for him to think you are 2nd barrelling with air.
overpair (including KK set). - wonky as well.

I think he has a J. AJ at best. Maybe QJ or AJ hearts and which would explain his lack of raise, figuring (correctly) that he has you beat now and on the come. The weirdness of this hand is somewhat explained by the fact that you guys both hold 4 bw cards of the same suit.

I actually don't think we want him to bluff here, so I think a block bet is best.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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 I check call and idk that it's that interesting. I c/c if i think opponent bluffs at all.
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i think C/C is ur worst line by far

bet/fold is waaay better as is check/fold
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i think C/C is ur worst line by far

bet/fold is waaay better as is check/fold
the fact that C/C seems so shitty despite the "deceptive" nature of my hand is what made me feel the spot was interesting

edit : oops meant to quote ISF
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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 I wish you didn't post results so soon!

I like checking the river but i don't necessarily call.
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