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06-12-2007, 09:47 PM
Post subject: Donktastic?
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,095
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Villain is somewhat tight preflop, that is all I know.
If he's paying attention, he will notice that this is the first time I have 3bet at this table, and that I am playing fairly tight.
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Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $100.00
CO: $187.00
Hero: $109.90
SB: $132.10
BB: $98.50
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T  A 
UTG folds, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $12, SB folds, BB calls, CO folds.
Flop: J  9 2 ($27.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: Q  ($27.5, 2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls.
River: T ($63.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero is all-in $79.9
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
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Pretty donktastic.
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Pretty donktastic.
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+1
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sauce123
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4-of-a-Kind
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i like it if hes decent, hate if hes not folding a set
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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I don't see why not. Pot seems worth fighting for
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gabe
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i like vs someone who knows how to fold, but how many people will fold top set here at this level??
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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villain prob made a set on river so I wouldn't try to push him off it
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by gabe
i like vs someone who knows how to fold, but how many people will fold top pair here at this site??
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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Secondary question, does pushing the river look bluffy?
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Fnord
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Ni Han.
I think half-pot does the trick against a lot of opponents though.
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Pelion
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I like it. I also prefer a push since pushing reps AK and maybe KK whereas I dont think he'll believe you have AK as often if you only half pot. (since AK wants value from a single K).
How tight is "somewhat tight"?
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Pelion
I dont think he'll believe you have AK as often if you only half pot.
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It only costs half as much for the same sized pot.
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Kagey
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Wah. I really don't understand this hand. Just when poker was starting to make sense. I don't understand what we are repping on the river that doesn't bet the flop? (or turn) Please help so I can sleep at night. If you're repping AK surely you don't make a point of not C-betting?
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Fnord
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C-betting AK on every missed flop was so two years ago....
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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Thats a really good flop to check behind with pretty much anything that missed. Also Fnord youre probably right. He definatly doesnt believe a half pot bet as often but its probably not even close to half as often. Might balence nicer though.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Fnord
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Yeah, I think half-pot vs shove comes down to your table image and what you know about how your game and/or opponent plays.
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Andypandy
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Pelion
Thats a really good flop to check behind with pretty much anything that missed. Also Fnord youre probably right. He definatly doesnt believe a half pot bet as often but its probably not even close to half as often. Might balence nicer though.
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Newbie-question:
I am just a 50$-donk, but isn't it standard making a cbet when 3-betting, at least when u say its your first 3-bet and u have been playing fairly tight? Or is it harder for him to believe u to have a big pocket pair since the 3-bet was from the button?
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noble007
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Looks pretty good, looks like you're representing AK on the river.
Except checking the flop and calling the turn with only a gutshot (if you had AK)
doesn't really seem to represent AK that combined with a shove after villian has checked the river (showed potential weakness) ie. a move more likely to to induce a fold than a call means that a thinking player might look you up with a lot & on such a scary board there is also a lot that villian could have to look you up with + AK/Flush himself.
Edit: I think my post sort of makes sense but in a real time situation without that much time to think I would fold alot acually if I was villian, thinking you must have a monster to shove on a board that is certain to have hit me pretty hard.
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JL
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Andypandy
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Originally Posted by Pelion
Thats a really good flop to check behind with pretty much anything that missed. Also Fnord youre probably right. He definatly doesnt believe a half pot bet as often but its probably not even close to half as often. Might balence nicer though.
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Newbie-question:
I am just a 50$-donk, but isn't it standard making a cbet when 3-betting, at least when u say its your first 3-bet and u have been playing fairly tight? Or is it harder for him to believe u to have a big pocket pair since the 3-bet was from the button? |
A relatively tight player cold calls my 3-bet OOP. The only hand he is folding to a cbet on this flop is TT and AK. At least that's what I was thinking at the time.
I figured that a c-bet on this flop in this situation would be spew. Better off taking a free card and hoping it improves me a bit.
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