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Old 06-22-2007, 02:27 PM     Post subject: Donklights from same session #1 (permalink)  
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These are the hands I played poorly, and the lessons I'm taking from them as reinforcement against bad play, some of them I played excessively poorly, down right awful even, and some I didn't exactly play horribly but still made bad decisions along the way, even if I did the right thing when the time came based on pot odds.

Hand #1:
STAGE #688514741: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.10 - 2007-06-22 04:46:33 (ET)
Table: ABERDEEN (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - 46__AND__2 ($22.65 in chips)
Seat 6 - BOMBBOMBBOMB ($29.25 in chips)
Seat 1 - SHELLSCRUTCH ($16.60 in chips)
Seat 2 - SCHALLER ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 4 - YULIOH ($12.35 in chips)
BOMBBOMBBOMB - Posts small blind $0.05
SHELLSCRUTCH - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [Qh Ah]
SCHALLER - Folds
YULIOH - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $0.40 to $0.40
BOMBBOMBBOMB - Raises $0.75 to $0.80
SHELLSCRUTCH - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $4 to $4.40
BOMBBOMBBOMB - Raises $8 to $8.80
46__AND__2 - Calls $4.40
*** FLOP *** [8d 4d 10d]
BOMBBOMBBOMB - All-In $20.45
46__AND__2 - All-In $13.85
BOMBBOMBBOMB - returned ($6.60) : not called
*** TURN *** [8d 4d 10d] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8d 4d 10d 9d] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
46__AND__2 - Shows [Qh Ah] (One pair, queens)
BOMBBOMBBOMB - Shows [10h 10s] (Three of a kind, tens)
BOMBBOMBBOMB Collects $43.15 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($45.40) | Rake ($2.25)
Board [8d 4d 10d 9d Qc]
Seat 1: SHELLSCRUTCH (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: SCHALLER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: YULIOH Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: 46__AND__2 (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qh Ah - P:Qh,B:Qc,P:Ah,B:10d,B:9d]
Seat 6: BOMBBOMBBOMB (small blind) won Total ($43.15) All-In HI$43.15) with Three of a kind, tens [10h 10s - P:10s,P:10h,B:10d,B:Qc,B:9d]

Normally I don't ever 3bet AQs, but this villian had been playing crazy aggro, and I had position, when he 4bet me I definitely should've folded. The call on the flop was even worse than my preflop play, but as I said villian was crazy aggro, and his chips went it the instantaneous second the flop hit the board, it looked like a stop n go. I figured he was going to push any flop, atrocious read, atrocious play. In the future my play here is probably call his raise, and fold the flop to a lead bet Go ahead, crucify me, I deserve it.

Lesson Learned: Don't 3bet AQs, even in position, if you're going to 3bet AQs in position don't over 3bet, and certainly don't call when aggro-donkey villian 4bet minraises you.

Hand #2:
STAGE #688534546: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2007-06-22 05:53:10 (ET)
Table: CHINO HILLS (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - MRTRUVA ($14.05 in chips)
Seat 1 - KRUSTYAB ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 2 - RATT1 ($22.35 in chips)
Seat 3 - 46__AND__2 ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 4 - DONKTARD666 ($26.10 in chips)
KRUSTYAB - Posts small blind $0.10
RATT1 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [10c 10h]
46__AND__2 - Raises $1 to $1
DONKTARD666 - Raises $2.50 to $2.50
MRTRUVA - Folds
KRUSTYAB - Calls $2.40
RATT1 - Folds
46__AND__2 - Calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [6h 6c 2d]
KRUSTYAB - Checks
46__AND__2 - Bets $4
DONKTARD666 - Raises $10.25 to $10.25
KRUSTYAB - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $17.50 to $21.50
DONKTARD666 - All-In(Raise) $13.35 to $23.60
46__AND__2 - Calls $2.10
*** TURN *** [6h 6c 2d] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [6h 6c 2d Kc] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
46__AND__2 - Shows [10c 10h] (Two Pair, tens and sixes)
DONKTARD666 - Shows [Qd Qh] (Two Pair, queens and sixes)
DONKTARD666 Collects $52.25 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($54.95) | Rake ($2.70)
Board [6h 6c 2d Kc 5s]
Seat 1: KRUSTYAB (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: RATT1 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: 46__AND__2 HI:lost with Two Pair, tens and sixes [10c 10h - P:10h,P:10c,B:6h,B:6c,B:Kc]
Seat 4: DONKTARD666 won Total ($52.25) All-In HI$52.25) with Two Pair, queens and sixes [Qd Qh - P:Qh,P:Qd,B:6h,B:6c,B:Kc]
Seat 6: MRTRUVA (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

I should've definitely folded to the re-raise, especially since I was out of position, and definitely should've folded when I was raised on the flop:

Lesson Learned:
Don't call re-raises OOP with JJ-, if you do, don't 3bet shove a check-raise on the flop. I better learn this one, or these single pair hands are going to kill me.

Hand #3:
STAGE #688542768: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2007-06-22 06:21:54 (ET)
Table: CHINO HILLS (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - MRCOUNTRY ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 3 - 46__AND__2 ($42.10 in chips)
Seat 4 - KABOOBI ($50 in chips)
Seat 5 - CRAZYAXOLOTL ($50.55 in chips)
Seat 6 - SHATGUUN ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 1 - SIROZZ ($6.10 in chips)
46__AND__2 - Posts small blind $0.10
KABOOBI - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [10d 7d]
CRAZYAXOLOTL - Folds
SHATGUUN - Folds
SIROZZ - Raises $0.75 to $0.75
MRCOUNTRY - Calls $0.75
46__AND__2 - Calls $0.65
KABOOBI - Calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Kh 4d 10c]
46__AND__2 - Checks
KABOOBI - Checks
SIROZZ - Bets $1.50
MRCOUNTRY - Calls $1.50
46__AND__2 - Calls $1.50
KABOOBI - Folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 4d 10c] [2s]
46__AND__2 - Checks
SIROZZ - Checks
MRCOUNTRY - Checks
*** RIVER *** [Kh 4d 10c 2s] [3s]
46__AND__2 - Bets $3
SIROZZ - Folds
MRCOUNTRY - Raises $6 to $6
46__AND__2 - Calls $3
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MRCOUNTRY - Shows [3c Kc] (Two Pair, kings and threes)
46__AND__2 - Mucks
MRCOUNTRY Collects $18.55 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($19.50) | Rake ($0.95)
Board [Kh 4d 10c 2s 3s]
Seat 1: SIROZZ Folded on the RIVER
Seat 2: MRCOUNTRY (dealer) won Total ($18.55) HI$18.55) with Two Pair, kings and threes [3c Kc - B:Kh,P:Kc,B:3s,P:3c,B:10c]
Seat 3: 46__AND__2 (small blind) HI: [Mucked] [10d 7d]
Seat 4: KABOOBI (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: CRAZYAXOLOTL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: SHATGUUN Folded on the POCKET CARDS

Fold preflop dummy, fold preflop dummy, fold preflop dummy. Don't call the raise on the river dummy, don't call the raise on the river dummy. Villian got what he wanted I saw a $3 call with $16 in the pot, and said maybe he's got 99. Mistakes in this hand: calling preflop, calling after two callers on the flop thinking I've got decent implied odds on a T or a 7 or backdoor diamonds then weak leading the river for 1/3 of the pot, and getting sucked into calling his minraise.

Lesson Learned:
DON'T PLAY GARBAGE OUT OF THE SMALL BLIND IDIOT. DON'T PLAY GARBAGE OUT OF THE SMALL BLIND FOR RAISES, IDIOT. If you play garbage out of the small blind, fold your weak ass middle pair to the flop bet with a caller already ahead of you, and c/f the river instead of b/c because you think you're getting a good price.

Hand #3:
STAGE #688538810: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2007-06-22 06:08:01 (ET)
Table: CHINO HILLS (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - SIROZZ ($20.95 in chips)
Seat 2 - CTN_007 ($11.90 in chips)
Seat 3 - 46__AND__2 ($45.35 in chips)
Seat 5 - CRAZYAXOLOTL ($50.90 in chips)
Seat 6 - BERSERK80 ($25 in chips)
CTN_007 - Posts small blind $0.10
46__AND__2 - Posts big blind $0.25
BERSERK80 - Posts $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [Ac 10c]
CRAZYAXOLOTL - Folds
BERSERK80 - Checks
SIROZZ - Calls $0.25
CTN_007 - Calls $0.15
46__AND__2 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 9h 6s]
CTN_007 - Checks
46__AND__2 - Checks
BERSERK80 - Checks
SIROZZ - Checks
*** TURN *** [6d 9h 6s] [Ah]
CTN_007 - Checks
46__AND__2 - Bets $0.50
BERSERK80 - Folds
SIROZZ - Calls $0.50
CTN_007 - Calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [6d 9h 6s Ah] [4d]
CTN_007 - Checks
46__AND__2 - Bets $1
SIROZZ - Raises $9.25 to $9.25
CTN_007 - Folds
46__AND__2 - Calls $8.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SIROZZ - Shows [6h 3h] (Three of a kind, sixes)
46__AND__2 - Mucks
SIROZZ Collects $19.95 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($21) | Rake ($1.05)
Board [6d 9h 6s Ah 4d]
Seat 1: SIROZZ (dealer) won Total ($19.95) HI$19.95) with Three of a kind, sixes [6h 3h - B:6s,P:6h,B:6d,B:Ah,B:9h]
Seat 2: CTN_007 (small blind) Folded on the RIVER
Seat 3: 46__AND__2 (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [Ac 10c]
Seat 5: CRAZYAXOLOTL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BERSERK80 Folded on the TURN

Lesson learned:
Don't call the over bet on the river with a weak pair of Aces thinking it's a bluff. I think my line was ok here, until that attrocious misread on the river. I need to stop playing poker if I can not avoid doing this.

Hand #4:
STAGE #688442348: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.10 - 2007-06-22 02:04:49 (ET)
Table: EUREKA (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - 46__AND__2 ($27.79 in chips)
Seat 2 - JESNM24 ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 3 - ICYTAZ ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERDAWGS ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 5 - MJRIVER ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 6 - RUBBERSTAMP ($19.45 in chips)
JESNM24 - Posts small blind $0.05
ICYTAZ - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [Qs Jd]
POKERDAWGS - Folds
MJRIVER - Calls $0.10
RUBBERSTAMP - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $0.50 to $0.50
JESNM24 - Folds
ICYTAZ - Calls $0.40
MJRIVER - Calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [10h 10s 4s]
ICYTAZ - Checks
MJRIVER - Checks
46__AND__2 - Bets $1
ICYTAZ - All-In(Raise) $2.55 to $2.55
MJRIVER - Folds
46__AND__2 - Calls $1.55
*** TURN *** [10h 10s 4s] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [10h 10s 4s 5c] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
46__AND__2 - Shows [Qs Jd] (One pair, tens)
ICYTAZ - Shows [9h 9c] (Two Pair, tens and nines)
ICYTAZ Collects $6.35 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($6.65) | Rake ($0.30)
Board [10h 10s 4s 5c 8h]
Seat 1: 46__AND__2 (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, tens [Qs Jd - B:10s,B:10h,P:Qs,P:Jd,B:8h]
Seat 2: JESNM24 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: ICYTAZ (big blind) won Total ($6.35) All-In HI$6.35) with Two Pair, tens and nines [9h 9c - B:10s,B:10h,P:9h,P:9c,B:8h]
Seat 4: POKERDAWGS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MJRIVER Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: RUBBERSTAMP Folded on the POCKET CARDS

I actually don't think I played this too badly, I think I'm getting the right price @ 1.55 to win 5.10 on his push though. 7.5 outs (Q,J, bd flush).

I'm 29.5% to hit my hand:
(-0.71.5 * 1.55) + (0.295 * 5.10) = 0.396 = $0.40

It would seem like this call is +EV unless I think he's got JJ, QQ, KK, AA, or a T. Of which only a T really seems likely. Any disputes here?

Hand #5:
STAGE #688465676: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.10 - 2007-06-22 02:47:20 (ET)
Table: EUREKA (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - 46__AND__2 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2 - JESNM24 ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 3 - ICYTAZ ($4.22 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERDAWGS ($10.52 in chips)
Seat 5 - PAINTERCHIC ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - BDW1811 ($20 in chips)
JESNM24 - Posts small blind $0.05
ICYTAZ - Posts big blind $0.10
BDW1811 - Posts $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [9d 8d]
POKERDAWGS - Calls $0.10
PAINTERCHIC - Raises $0.50 to $0.50
BDW1811 - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $2 to $2
JESNM24 - Folds
ICYTAZ - All-In(Raise) $4.12 to $4.22
POKERDAWGS - Folds
PAINTERCHIC - All-In $1.25
46__AND__2 - Calls $2.22
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4h 7d]
*** TURN *** [Kc 4h 7d] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4h 7d 4d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
46__AND__2 - Shows [9d 8d] (Two Pair, eights and fours)
ICYTAZ - Shows [Ac Kd] (Two Pair, kings and fours)
PAINTERCHIC - Shows [Js As] (One pair, fours)
ICYTAZ Collects $4.71 from side pot-1
ICYTAZ Collects $5.23 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($10.44:$5.50,$4.94) | Rake ($0.50:$0.27,$0.23)
Board [Kc 4h 7d 4d 8c]
Seat 1: 46__AND__2 (dealer) HI:lost with Two Pair, eights and fours [9d 8d - P:8d,B:8c,B:4h,B:4d,B:Kc]
Seat 2: JESNM24 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: ICYTAZ (big blind) won Total ($9.94) All-In HI$9.94) with Two Pair, kings and fours [Ac Kd - P:Kd,B:Kc,B:4h,B:4d,P:Ac]
Seat 4: POKERDAWGS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: PAINTERCHIC HI:lost with One pair, fours [Js As - B:4h,B:4d,P:As,B:Kc,P:Js]
Seat 6: BDW1811 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

PAINTER had been raising light for a couple orbits, and he was a shorty I figured 89s was a great hand to try to shove/isolate his shortstack, and either I would get folds around preflop and scoop the $1.25 without a fuss. Or at least be in decent shape against two overs most of the time. It was also a minraise so it looked suspicious. I wasn't expecting ICY to wake up with AK, but there was so much in the pot after he shoves, unless one of the two has an overpair I think I'm in decent shape calling $2.22 to win $6.72. Come to find out they were actually sharing an out. But I might've been able to get away from this one as well.


So there are a few of the hands I arguably could have played much better than I actually did. And a few I shouldn't have played at all.
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:00 PM     Post subject: Re: Donklights from same session #2 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overflow
Lesson Learned: Don't 3bet AQs, even in position, if you're going to 3bet AQs in position don't over 3bet, and certainly don't call when aggro-donkey villian 4bet minraises you.
That's poor thinking. AQs is certainly a 3bet in position as it is definitely ahead of this guys opening range. IF you find a spot where you have more equity than he does (i.e. your starting range is tighter) you should exploit it. That is one way to make money. As played fold the flop, you're flipping with a naked diamond.

Hand #2:

Quote:
Originally Posted by overflow
I should've definitely folded to the re-raise, especially since I was out of position, and definitely should've folded when I was raised on the flop:

Lesson Learned:
Don't call re-raises OOP with JJ-, if you do, don't 3bet shove a check-raise on the flop. I better learn this one, or these single pair hands are going to kill me.
You're more than welcome to call 3bets with TT and get them in on a dry board if your opponents action tell the correct story. However, he has an overpair here like 100% of the time. Question is would he overplay 77/88/99 and the answer is no, those hands do not get 3bet at this level. Leading the flop is fine, I'll do it sometimes, however you got the info you needed and you should fold to the raise.

Hand #3:
Quote:
Originally Posted by overflow
Lesson Learned:
DON'T PLAY GARBAGE OUT OF THE SMALL BLIND IDIOT. DON'T PLAY GARBAGE OUT OF THE SMALL BLIND FOR RAISES, IDIOT. If you play garbage out of the small blind, fold your weak ass middle pair to the flop bet with a caller already ahead of you, and c/f the river instead of b/c because you think you're getting a good price.
You learned the wrong lesson, you can play garbage out of the small blind but certainly not for a raise. However, you hand is easy to play postflop. You either flop a monster (2pr+) or a big draw. If you don't you don't put another dime in the pot. Im never betting that river ever.

Hand 4 actually (you have 2 hand 3's)

Quote:
Originally Posted by overflow
Lesson learned:
Don't call the over bet on the river with a weak pair of Aces thinking it's a bluff. I think my line was ok here, until that attrocious misread on the river. I need to stop playing poker if I can not avoid doing this.
Correct, the overbet isn't a bluff at this level. Players play very straightforward here. Weak bets are typically bluffs and overbets are typically strength. Fold as you beat don't any Aces here either.

Quote:
Originally Posted by overflow
STAGE #688442348: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.10 - 2007-06-22 02:04:49 (ET)
Table: EUREKA (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - 46__AND__2 ($27.79 in chips)
Seat 2 - JESNM24 ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 3 - ICYTAZ ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERDAWGS ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 5 - MJRIVER ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 6 - RUBBERSTAMP ($19.45 in chips)
JESNM24 - Posts small blind $0.05
ICYTAZ - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [Qs Jd]
POKERDAWGS - Folds
MJRIVER - Calls $0.10
RUBBERSTAMP - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $0.50 to $0.50
JESNM24 - Folds
ICYTAZ - Calls $0.40
MJRIVER - Calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [10h 10s 4s]
ICYTAZ - Checks
MJRIVER - Checks
46__AND__2 - Bets $1
ICYTAZ - All-In(Raise) $2.55 to $2.55
MJRIVER - Folds
46__AND__2 - Calls $1.55
*** TURN *** [10h 10s 4s] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [10h 10s 4s 5c] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
46__AND__2 - Shows [Qs Jd] (One pair, tens)
ICYTAZ - Shows [9h 9c] (Two Pair, tens and nines)
ICYTAZ Collects $6.35 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($6.65) | Rake ($0.30)
Board [10h 10s 4s 5c 8h]
Seat 1: 46__AND__2 (dealer) HI:lost with One pair, tens [Qs Jd - B:10s,B:10h,P:Qs,P:Jd,B:8h]
Seat 2: JESNM24 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: ICYTAZ (big blind) won Total ($6.35) All-In HI$6.35) with Two Pair, tens and nines [9h 9c - B:10s,B:10h,P:9h,P:9c,B:8h]
Seat 4: POKERDAWGS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MJRIVER Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: RUBBERSTAMP Folded on the POCKET CARDS

I actually don't think I played this too badly, I think I'm getting the right price @ 1.55 to win 5.10 on his push though. 7.5 outs (Q,J, bd flush).

I'm 29.5% to hit my hand:
(-0.71.5 * 1.55) + (0.295 * 5.10) = 0.396 = $0.40

It would seem like this call is +EV unless I think he's got JJ, QQ, KK, AA, or a T. Of which only a T really seems likely. Any disputes here?
Yes, one dispute. You have to look at stack sizes before making a PF raise. Also, 5xbb is way too much PF. You have a speculative hand containing weak high card strength. This is not the time to bloat a pot. This is the time to make in 3.5xbb or limp behind the limper. Also, look at the BB's stack. You are committing yourself with a PF raise to 5xbb and a 2/3 cbet. That sucks against shortstackers. You have to tighten up your starting hand requirements against the shortstackers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by overflow
Hand #5:
STAGE #688465676: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.10 - 2007-06-22 02:47:20 (ET)
Table: EUREKA (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - 46__AND__2 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2 - JESNM24 ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 3 - ICYTAZ ($4.22 in chips)
Seat 4 - POKERDAWGS ($10.52 in chips)
Seat 5 - PAINTERCHIC ($1.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - BDW1811 ($20 in chips)
JESNM24 - Posts small blind $0.05
ICYTAZ - Posts big blind $0.10
BDW1811 - Posts $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to 46__AND__2 [9d 8d]
POKERDAWGS - Calls $0.10
PAINTERCHIC - Raises $0.50 to $0.50
BDW1811 - Folds
46__AND__2 - Raises $2 to $2
JESNM24 - Folds
ICYTAZ - All-In(Raise) $4.12 to $4.22
POKERDAWGS - Folds
PAINTERCHIC - All-In $1.25
46__AND__2 - Calls $2.22
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4h 7d]
*** TURN *** [Kc 4h 7d] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4h 7d 4d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
46__AND__2 - Shows [9d 8d] (Two Pair, eights and fours)
ICYTAZ - Shows [Ac Kd] (Two Pair, kings and fours)
PAINTERCHIC - Shows [Js As] (One pair, fours)
ICYTAZ Collects $4.71 from side pot-1
ICYTAZ Collects $5.23 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($10.44:$5.50,$4.94) | Rake ($0.50:$0.27,$0.23)
Board [Kc 4h 7d 4d 8c]
Seat 1: 46__AND__2 (dealer) HI:lost with Two Pair, eights and fours [9d 8d - P:8d,B:8c,B:4h,B:4d,B:Kc]
Seat 2: JESNM24 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: ICYTAZ (big blind) won Total ($9.94) All-In HI$9.94) with Two Pair, kings and fours [Ac Kd - P:Kd,B:Kc,B:4h,B:4d,P:Ac]
Seat 4: POKERDAWGS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: PAINTERCHIC HI:lost with One pair, fours [Js As - B:4h,B:4d,P:As,B:Kc,P:Js]
Seat 6: BDW1811 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

PAINTER had been raising light for a couple orbits, and he was a shorty I figured 89s was a great hand to try to shove/isolate his shortstack, and either I would get folds around preflop and scoop the $1.25 without a fuss. Or at least be in decent shape against two overs most of the time. It was also a minraise so it looked suspicious. I wasn't expecting ICY to wake up with AK, but there was so much in the pot after he shoves, unless one of the two has an overpair I think I'm in decent shape calling $2.22 to win $6.72. Come to find out they were actually sharing an out. But I might've been able to get away from this one as well.
The PF 3bet is pure spew at these stakes. Once against tighten up against the shorties. It sucks but you'll make much more money from them if you do.
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 You pay people off waaay too easily.. extremely hard to show a profit when you keep doing that.
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 hand 1: first off, i think you are a bit confused with the 3-bet/4-bet thing. When you open raise, it is effectively a 2-bet, then villain 3-bets and you 4-bet him with AQ. Even though he is only min-3-betting, i would just call there. If he fires the flop i probly fold and am not too worried about it. As played this is horrible spew. Even with pot odds or any odds, you have no chance at being ahead on that flop given the preflop action.

edit: you dont need to stop 3-betting AQ, but definitly dont 4-bet with it as a standard move.

hand 2: calling the 3-bet pre is fine because you are getting good enough odds to hit your set. I actually like the flop lead here sometimes, but in this case i think you can fold to his raise.

hand 3: fold pre. if its limped i will complete this sometimes, but just fold here. Fold the flop as played. 2nd pair weak kicker isnt something you want to play without a solid read.

hand 4: definitly fold to the river overbet, otherwise it is fine.

hand 5: meh.

hand 6: why raise? if anything just call. Raising is horrible here, and its even worse when a super shorty is in the pot with you.
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This converter works for Absolute NL:

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tldr most of it.

hand 2 - you don't have to fold after you get raised on the flop. if i was in villains position i might raise with any 2 cards in his spot.
what does your bet at a 662 flop mean? you can't be that strong or you'd more likely go for a checkraise. your bet means you're unsure about your hand and you'll fold to aggression. you didn;t actually fold and moved allin.
i don't know if players autoraise your bet at smaller stakes. but i think i probably would have done with 2 overcards like AK
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 1: Call the threebet and feel cautious postflop.. Wtf do you beat?
2: It's ok to call the threebet, but again, postflop, wtf is he stacking off with that you beat?
3a: Fold pre. And why are you stacking off post? I don't get it.
3b: Fold to the raise on the river.. Rest is ok enough, you might wanna raise pre though.
4: meh
5: No point threebetting light here bud, stacks are less than 100BB and your opponents are stupid. Calling both pushes is
ok but you shouldn't have got into that spot in the first place.

By the way, I haven't read what you've written about the HHs, we can see if what I've said and what you said go together.

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Thanks for the feedback Ash, session this evening went a lot better. Got in a lot of good spots, paid very close attention to positional calling requirements, and made a conscious effort not to over extend. Bricked one strong draw OESD+small flush (I guess you have to have an over or two for it to be a big draw). But overall I did a good job of keeping my money out of pots I didn't have a chance to win, or at the very least an improvement over last night. I'll post some hands tomorrow.
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This converter works for Absolute NL:

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

You have to register for an account, but it's no big deal.
Not ATM, I just tried a few minutes ago, the bet sizing is all f'ed up.

I entered a 0.05/0.10 $25 DS hand and it listed the blinds as 1.1/1.1 and all the stacks and bet sizes were wrong.
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Huh. I cut and pasted a couple of the hands from this thread yesterday and it worked fine.
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Huh. I cut and pasted a couple of the hands from this thread yesterday and it worked fine.
I pasted from poker tracker, that might've caused it, I'll try again later
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