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Old 06-25-2007, 11:41 PM     Post subject: donking around at 100nl #1 (permalink)  
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1.

effective stacks $100

he's a complete station. 70vpip type, fairly passive.

aks 4 to go utg+1. He calls next, with the bb.

Flop (12.50)

Ad, 8s, 4d

Bet 9. he calls.

Turn (30.5)

7h

bet 22.50. calls.

River (75.5)

9h

I shove.



2.

other guy is decent tag, prob views me as a bit of a standard nit.

$95 stacks.


He open raises 4 in the co.

I'm the only caller from the blinds.

Flop (8.5)

678r

I check, he bets 7, I make it 22. He thinks and calls.

Turn (52.5)

I shove



3.

100 effective, 22/7/.04, bit of a station, fairly passive. not much table time to go on.

I make it 4 from the co with 33,

He calls from the bb.

Flop (8)

Ah, 3d, 8d

checks. i bet 6

Turn (20)

Qh

checks. bet 14

River (48)

5d

he bets 27.

is thinking about folding here madness?
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I like 1 and 2.
You can't fold 3, I rather raise then fold.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:00 AM #3 (permalink)  
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call hand 3, dont raise
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 - if you think he's a postflop call station, then this is good, but I'm prepared to see some crappy two pair hand. I usually just value bet all three streets against these guys and push when I know I have them

hand 2 - is it me, or do we not know your hand?

hand 3 - yah just call, but he made it so cheap that I never fold
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:08 PM #5 (permalink)  
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#1
he has weaker aces/TT/JJ/QQ here a lot. i´d bet ~35.

#2
cant see you hand either, given your reads, he has to put u on 2pair at least. like it

#3
u can´t fold, but don´t raise
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:31 PM #6 (permalink)  
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To be clear: I also advocate calling in hand 3. You question was wether you should be thinking about folding though, my answer is I'd rather raise then fold. But calling is best.
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Old 06-26-2007, 05:29 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Hand #1: Bet more on the flop and turn against this guy. Makes that river push a lot less scary to him.

Hand #2: You look scared. And he looks like he has at least an overpair. Trouble.

Hand #3: Call. I also bet more on the turn.


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Old 06-26-2007, 05:46 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't see the point of a shove in hand 1 -- he's not calling this very often unless he has you beat and you lose value from weaker hands

hand 3 just call
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:51 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I have 33 or something in hand 2. air basically.
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 I kinda agree with the fold in hand 3. He's so passive and suddenly leads out big when the flush hits on the river after he c/c the previous streets.. I probably call but I think folding is sensible here, his AF is 0.04! He doesn't bet anything but the nuts basically.
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I don't see the point of a shove in hand 1 -- he's not calling this very often unless he has you beat and you lose value from weaker hands
You're losing loads of value if you're not playing TPTK for stacks against a "70 VPIP complete station"


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Old 06-26-2007, 08:11 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I don't see the point of a shove in hand 1 -- he's not calling this very often unless he has you beat and you lose value from weaker hands
You're losing loads of value if you're not playing TPTK for stacks against a "70 VPIP complete station"
Even the most callingest of the callingest know what an ALL IN means. Hero shoulda valuebet, but not spewed.
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 I agree with euph. I'd block bet like $20 here.
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I'd bet something easy to call like $30. I don't see how having a high VPIP means he stacks off with TPGK. Calling stations call down with marginal hands, but I don't think they go all in with TPGK. There's not that much in the pot anyway at this point for the station to feel 'committed' into calling.
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 I must play way worse players than you guys. I know 70 VPIP doesn't mean he's going to go broke post-flop with TPGK. But Phantom made a point of saying "complete station" which I assume means he calls with any piece. I play so many guys that call it all off with ace and a crap kicker even.

But so the villain should feel more committed that's why I suggested he pot the flop and turn making it a much easier push to call on the river.


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Old 06-27-2007, 01:29 AM #16 (permalink)  
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yeah you must, what site and buyin?
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