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Old 09-19-2008, 06:51 AM     Post subject: Donk flop or check multiway (50nl)? #1 (permalink)  
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I am interested in whether people think its worth squeezing here, but I'm mostly interested in thoughts on the flop:

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SB Hero ($48.75)
BB asklmvcxnms ($53.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is SB
1 fold, surfsteve81 raises to $1.50, 333BB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5, 3 players)
Hero ????


Kind of a bad spot. I find the PFR'er often wont c-bet a flop like this (likely to hit our ranges multiway) if he didnt hit himself (or has like QQ+), so while I have a very strong hand now, I REALLY dont want people getting free cards 3-way. Whats my best line?
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:57 AM     Post subject: Re: Donk flop or check multiway (50nl)? #2 (permalink)  
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Kind of a good spot as we have the 2nd nuts.
Just bet here. I would bet around $4. With so many possible draws outthere, hopefully one of the 2 Tags have a piece of the board.

As for Pre, a squeeze is not bad if villains calls with worse, otherwise a call is OK.
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:18 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 why do you guys call it a squeeze when you have the 4th nuts PF?

how about "3betting for value against an opener and cold-caller"?
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:22 AM #4 (permalink)  

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I would bet. I'm not giving away free cards with both flush and str8 draws, let them pay for it, plus you might want one of them to fold to narrow the playing field. Raiser could be sitting with AJ(perfect), AQ, QQ+ and even reraise you.
I often go for potsize bets here, because I worry about them completing their draws. I know that isn't the way to get big pots, but I hate going on bad beats knowing I could have taken it down there and then. Hindsight, that lovely goose.
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:28 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Well obviously I'm happy about my hand on the flop, by a bad spot I guess I mean its an example of a spot I havnt been able to work out which approach is best so it confuses me.

Lol Spenda, its just a term people understand . I take it you think a "3 bet after a raise and a call" is best preflop?
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:33 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Zook taught me to c/r aggressive opponents and donk into passive ones.
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Old 09-19-2008, 09:58 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Hmm, good advice. Not a heap of hands on these two so didnt have a good read on what they'd likely do.
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:17 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I bet here without reads (lot of passives at 50NL). Looking at stack sizes I think I just pot flop.
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:09 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Zook taught me to c/r aggressive opponents and donk into passive ones.
I did? Cool.

I like a "squeeze" pre-flop here. And without reads I go for the c/r because 1) it will win an extra bet from air and 2) flush draws bet the flop a lot.
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:38 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Any thoughts on c/r all-in on these boards? I've been experimenting with repping draws since everyone seems to put you on one and snap call with pairs. results seem O.K. but sample size is inconclusive.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:34 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 why concentrate on just one part of their range kagey and take a lot of plays out of their hands?

just c/r to a normal amount, they can/will still put you on a draw plus you give them a chance to make a mistake with a hand they'd never call a shove with but might shove if you c/r to a normal amount.
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 3-bet for value preflop. As played, lead out on this flop. This board is way too drawy for the PFR to c-bet as a bluff (if he has any sense). Normally I go for a c/r, but not on this board. You are way more likely to get money in with this pot by taking the lead.


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Old 09-19-2008, 11:14 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Turns out I would have got the money in anyway, but at least I took the line most people agreed with:

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$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Gaisska ($137.23)
CO surfsteve81 ($72.50)
BTN 333BB ($139.92)
SB Hero ($48.75)
BB asklmvcxnms ($53.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is SB
1 fold, surfsteve81 raises to $1.50, 333BB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5, 3 players)
Hero bets $4, surfsteve81 raises to $8, 333BB raises to $138.42, Hero calls $43.25, surfsteve81 folds

Turn: ($198.67, 2 players)

River: ($198.67, 2 players)

Final Pot: $198.67
333BB shows:

Hero wins $104.50 ( won $55.75 )
333BB wins $91.17 ( lost -$48.75 )
surfsteve81 lost -$9.50
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