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JL
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03-16-2007, 10:39 PM
Post subject: Donk Betting a Light 3-bettor
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This line okay sometimes versus a habitual 3-bettor?
GAME #503636051: Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00 2007-03-16 21:47:41
Table Kabale
Seat 1: McPinz ($210.60 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: jsthr4thmny ($198.00 in chips)
Seat 6: Magdelena ($171.30 in chips)
Seat 8: ITFlo ($340.80 in chips)
Seat 10: JL37 ($300.00 in chips)
jsthr4thmny: Post SB $1.00
Magdelena: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JL37 J T
ITFlo: Fold
JL37: Raise $7.00
McPinz: Raise $21.00
jsthr4thmny: Fold
Magdelena: Fold
JL37: Call $14.00
*** FLOP *** 3 2 A
JL37: Bet $35.00
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elipsesjeff
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i'd prefer to just fold preflop with this hand. A c/r is prlly more effective as your flop bet is historically weak.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
i'd prefer to just fold preflop with this hand. A c/r is prlly more effective as your flop bet is historically weak.
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True, but a c/r raise costs a shit load more money.
If villain is holding JJ-KK here how often is he folding to this flop lead?
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
i'd prefer to just fold preflop with this hand. A c/r is prlly more effective as your flop bet is historically weak.
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True, but a c/r raise costs a shit load more money.
If villain is holding JJ-KK here how often is he folding to this flop lead? |
if i were villain and had jj-KK i would raise your flop lead, in fact, i would raise your lead here with many hands. however, i wouldn't call a c/r with jj-kk
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Hmm...yeah I see what you are saying because if I have AK/AQ here I check this flop to the 3-bettor everytime.
This is one of the first times I've ever donked like this.
It worked but I am just wondering if it will work more often than not.
The only good thing I see about it is that it's a cheaper way to take a stab at the pot. If I check raise him it is going to cost me half my stack, but it will work more often...
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Alexos
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Jeff-:Wow, I dont see why I would raise this flop if I was villain and had KK...Its most likely call or fold, unless I have no respect for the other guy. If I raise JJ-KK will he really fold AK or AQ?
Your flop lead is not great either, he will call or raise with any ace, and might call with JJ+...A c/r is better but then again risky too.. Just fold preflop or c/f flop.
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I would look for a better board to make a play on.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Renton
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just c/r all in
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gabe
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i like doing this a fraction of the time, just make sure u do it with your strong hands and real draws sometimes too
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Originally Posted by Renton
just c/r all in
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Hate that.
C/R half your stack or something, or occasionally lead like this. Going all in just loses the max when he actually wakes up with a hand here.
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Originally Posted by Renton
just c/r all in
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Hate that.
C/R half your stack or something, or occasionally lead like this. Going all in just loses the max when he actually wakes up with a hand here. |
well, i wasn't paying specific attention to the pot size. Point is, checkraising shows a ton more strength and wins more money than donkbetting.
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dsaxton
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Bet and if he raises, reraise, if he raises again, reraise all-in.
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A thinking player will raise you almost 100% of the time here only worrying about 22/33.
Even then, unless they know you always lead with sets... The other problem though is that leading in a reraised pot is very strange.
If you want to mess with him I think a better line is to call the flop and lead a non-club turn or CR AI on a club turn if stacks make it possible.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
A thinking player will float you almost 100% of the time here only worrying about 22/33.
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
A thinking player will float you almost 100% of the time here only worrying about 22/33.
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yeah
raise or float. Either way, getting them to fold with this bet on this board is unlikely.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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gabe
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if you know someone will always float you then its so easy to own them other ways
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Originally Posted by gabe
if you know someone will always float you then its so easy to own them other ways
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