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Carroters
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06-07-2010, 02:37 PM
Post subject: Does b/f look okay here?
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
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Villain is spewy and fishy looking running 39/21 over 25 hands. I've seen him limp/call 33 utg. Part from that no real reads.
I'm wondering whether I should just c/f the turn instead of b/f. I mean he has stuff like A4 A5 67 etc buy maybe not enough for this bet to actually be +EV, even though I expect him to be stationy. He has more 3s in his range than most villains would here and plenty 2 pair combos with this turn card. Does c/f look better?
$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Hero ($125.80)
CO RHGJ ($105.30)
BTN racum ($129)
SB Ares22Ares ($74.50)
BB Egostrip ($100)
Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is UTG  
Hero raises to $3.50, RHGJ calls $3.50, 3 folds
Flop:    ($8.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, RHGJ calls $5.50
Turn:  ($19.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $11, RHGJ raises to $25, Hero folds
Final Pot: $55.50
RHGJ wins $53.50 (net +$19.50)
Hero lost $20
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leftygrove
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Two Pair
Join Date: May 2010
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Apparently I'm the biggest spewey retard out there but I never even consider c/fing the turn. I think c/c is slightly better than b/f, and those are the only two options I am going to look at.
Some players will raise small here with hands like 7-6, 6-4, 7-5 type hands, so they can see a cheap showdown or set themselves up to bluff on the river. I hate having to bet/fold to those types of hands, and I think that his hands like A-4/A-5 are folding the turn a lot, and his hands like 6-7 and 7-5 are betting the turn a lot if you check.
If he has a hand like 6-5 even you have a decent amount of outs (6 outs for higher two pair, 2 set outs, 4 straight outs, and 4 three's for a split).
My rule of thumb is usually not to fold overpairs against spewtards. I'll always try to find a way to pot control if I'm worried I'm beat.
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Dragon Slayer
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Think Im playing it the same way as you C-Dawg. Maybe I b/f a little more on the turn.
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aka_red
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Moderator
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bet larger on the flop
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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I mean.. you call villain fishy and spewy. Maybe I'm a station but if I'm betting 11 into 19 with this hand on this board, it's with the intention of inducing a bluff from him. Not really to fold.
I'd rather just c/c here and let him try stealing and re-eval river. He probably gets to turn with tons of overcards and stuff, especially all Ax hands.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by griffey24
I mean.. you call villain fishy and spewy. Maybe I'm a station but if I'm betting 11 into 19 with this hand on this board, it's with the intention of inducing a bluff from him. Not really to fold.
I'd rather just c/c here and let him try stealing and re-eval river. He probably gets to turn with tons of overcards and stuff, especially all Ax hands.
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Yah I should clarify my villain description: I don't have many hands on this guy, nor a read to suggest he will bluff raise this turn here, and I'm not trying to induce a raise. He just looks like a stationy bad fish that plays too many hands and probably isn't a major fan of folding often.
I feel like he can jus peel again with a lot of Ax stuff 67, 1 pair hands and am betting small for value to allow all of his weak hands to continue here. If I had a read that he is spewy enough to raise Ax here on this turn I'd not b/f.
I didn't want him checking back these shitty hands he'll call a small bet with.
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shakesss
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Betting the 6 on the turn can induce a lot of bluffs from this type of player because it hits his perceived range really well and he should expect you to have a very polarized betting range here. I mean most one pair hands would probably c/c down in this spot rather than betting. Against a laggy spewy villain these bluffs might come more often. I agree with griff that if i am betting here im probably calling a raise as well. IMO c/cing down in this spot would be best.
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DaMachine
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One Pair
Join Date: Jun 2010
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I would bet more (3/4 pot) flop and turn and I would def fold to a raise on turn.
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
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What's your river plan if he flats the turn?
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DaMachine
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One Pair
Join Date: Jun 2010
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C/Fold on river. I dont see any hand that we beat he might want to vbet river with or bluff with.
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DaMachine
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One Pair
Join Date: Jun 2010
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What do you think about the thought process?
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