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Old 02-21-2006, 06:00 AM     Post subject: do you value bet? #1 (permalink)  
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 This guy was 22/4, I'd generally consider him fairly solid. i was pretty loose aggressive, he could put me on a lot. I felt i was ahead after the flop, confirmed on the turn and after his river check. Do i value bet the river, and for how much?


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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, February 21, 01:38:03 EDT 2006
Table Table 36606 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: imsoshiesty ( $75.30 )
Seat 4: Kronke1 ( $75.70 )
Seat 1: MLHenoch ( $33.55 )
Seat 2: supergroove ( $4.50 )
Seat 3: Webfoot3 ( $14.15 )
Seat 5: nad73 ( $10 )
Webfoot3 posts small blind [$0.10].
Kronke1 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to imsoshiesty [ 9h 9s ]
imsoshiesty raises [$1].
MLHenoch folds.
supergroove folds.
Webfoot3 folds.
Kronke1 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 5s, 7c ]
Kronke1 bets [$1].
imsoshiesty raises [$3].
Kronke1 calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Kronke1 checks.
imsoshiesty bets [$5].
Kronke1 calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
Kronke1 checks.
imsoshiesty bets ?
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Old 02-21-2006, 02:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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He probably has Axs and only called the turn because he had a flush plus inside str8 draw. He probably won't call much if anything. Maybe just throw out 1/3 pot because I think 1/2+ he will fold.
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Old 02-21-2006, 02:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 anything he will call, even if its 25cents
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 i bet 6 and he called with 88. he criticized me afterward saying i'm only getting called if i'm beat most of the time. i liked it.
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Old 02-21-2006, 09:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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he criticized me afterward saying i'm only getting called if i'm beat most of the time.
Note: Tries to play well. Bit of a table coach. Preaches big or bluff? river play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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I like a value bet here, and your bet here was perfect. If he has a seven he's going to pay you off, if he felt you were bluffing with like AK he is going to pay off another small bet with 33, 66, or 88 (the rest of the small pairs made sets, but given his action a set is almost impossible). I don't see how the jack could help him unless he was on a flush draw with AJ suited or something of the like. A small bet like this is perfect though, he has to call with almost anything getting such a good price. Well played.
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 if he called the river with 88 hes a donk
You played it better imo.
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if he called the river with 88 hes a donk
If you say so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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if he called the river with 88 hes a donk
If you say so...
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calling through all streets with a pair, and then facing a bet on the river too.
Kinda makes me feel i want to play with this guy.
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Kinda makes me feel i want to play with this guy.
Calling you down here would be a mistake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Old 02-22-2006, 04:54 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 hold on.
is that 'you' as in me? or as in this hand.

the best thing as a laggy player imo is to have a couple of people willing to call you down on raggedy looking flops or messy/dangerous flops because they have a part of it. Its then value bet time.
Whaeva opp has here it is made, the turn tells us that (or else hes a chaser aginst a lagg, which is even better) which means im always looking for value on the river here because i aint bluffing.
We need to see a post i think from some good laggy players who get the most out of decent holdings in these sorts of situations. This is the most straight forward value bet i can see unless opp has called with TT/JJ or called down with Jx. Jx is so unlikely, but OMG good! while playing an overpair as such against a lagg just asks for a player to be stacked or pushed off a better hand.
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