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Old 06-15-2005, 08:44 AM     Post subject: Do you insta-call this like I did? #1 (permalink)  
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No reads at all except that he's seen the flop 8 of his last 16 hands - but I didn't even look at that. I just insta called. Good? Bad? Ugly?

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$100 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, June 15, 04:40:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 37142 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: lazyj444 ( $177.15 )
Seat 6: SmackinYaUp ( $142.09 )
Seat 1: pacman_ace ( $27.35 )
Seat 4: PumkinSmashd ( $65.85 )
Seat 3: oreo2222 ( $34.25 )
Seat 5: Shelbyville ( $153.1 )
lazyj444 posts small blind [$0.5].
oreo2222 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SmackinYaUp [ Kc Kd ]
PumkinSmashd calls [$1].
Shelbyville folds.
SmackinYaUp raises [$4].
pacman_ace folds.
lazyj444 calls [$3.5].
oreo2222 calls [$3].
PumkinSmashd calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Td, 5h ]
lazyj444 checks.
oreo2222 checks.
PumkinSmashd checks.
SmackinYaUp bets [$10].
lazyj444 folds.
oreo2222 folds.
PumkinSmashd is all-In [$61.85]
SmackinYaUp calls [$51.85].
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Old 06-15-2005, 08:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I would, the only hand he would do this with that has you beat is two pair (in which case you still have outs) but I think JJ, AT or even a top pair with a flush draw is more likely, so I would expect you to be ahead most of the time. If he did this with a set I would be very surprised.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:07 AM #3 (permalink)  

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um i'd say if there are no reads i would call him down.. he might think you have high overcards and you're trying to buy the pot.. mebbe he has middle or top pair. most people online would call the flop and raise the turn with 2 pair or a set to extract an extra bet.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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yes. a set of 10s/5s/4s does not play like this.

good call.


remember, even at higher stakes, strong means weak and weak means strong.
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wow you guys are good. i spiked a king on the river and buried his 9T.
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Old 06-16-2005, 10:24 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Hmmm ... worked out for you this time. If he were a good player with that stack size I think his hand range would be as follows:

:Ah: :Th:

44
55
TT

For me I don't play with less than a full buy-in so I'd probably lead into you with any of the above hands and hope that you'd re-raise so that I could then set you all-in.

But yeah, at 100NL you pretty much have to make this call ... it's easier to make if you have the :Kh:.

Nice hand.

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Old 06-17-2005, 01:18 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I agree, except that I wouldn't take a king of hearts into any special consideration. Backdoor flush draws don't really hit often enough for my tastes - probably because online poker is rigged against me
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Quote:
Originally Posted by journey075
yes. a set of 10s/5s/4s does not play like this.

good call.


remember, even at higher stakes, strong means weak and weak means strong.
i play sets like that when my read is he has AA/KK
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I agree, except that I wouldn't take a king of hearts into any special consideration. Backdoor flush draws don't really hit often enough for my tastes - probably because online poker is rigged against me
The :Kh: is important because it takes away one of his outs not necessarily because it gives you a backdoor draw. This is usually only important when you put your opponent on a flush draw with overcards where the 4% difference that this makes is significant enough.

For example: say in this hand you held black Queens and were up against the AKh. He'd have 15 outs to beat you (>50% to win) where as if you hold the Qh then he's at %48.

Small edges ....

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Old 06-20-2005, 02:46 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Insta-calling with overpairs against a short stack's all in...


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$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, June 20, 10:43:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 36929 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Brandyxa ( $76.95 )
Seat 2: BIGBUCKS17 ( $98 )
Seat 4: zxrrr ( $113.45 )
Seat 5: M1000000 ( $91.1 )
Seat 6: barclaycard ( $40.55 )
Seat 3: stressball10 ( $102.75 )
Brandyxa posts small blind [$0.5].
BIGBUCKS17 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to stressball10 [ Qs Qh ]
stressball10 raises [$3].
zxrrr folds.
M1000000 folds.
barclaycard calls [$3].
Brandyxa folds.
BIGBUCKS17 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 9d, 3d ]
stressball10 bets [$7].
barclaycard is all-In [$37.55]
stressball10 calls [$30.55].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
stressball10 shows [ Qs, Qh ] two pairs, queens and eights.
barclaycard doesn't show [ 9h, Kh ] two pairs, nines and eights.
stressball10 wins $80.6 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and eights.
barclaycard has left the table.


i.e. Yes, make this call every time. More often than not they have top pair.
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