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Harry

12-19-2006, 05:30 PM Post subject: Do you check behind here?

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25/6/.5

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $97.10
Hero: $99.50
CO: $100.90
Button: $50.35
SB: $102.10
BB: $108.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A

UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB raises to $7, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9

($15, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: T

($15, 2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero raises to $42, SB calls.

River: 6

($99, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

My thoughts: Raise more on turn to around 50.... push river?

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koolmoe

12-19-2006, 05:39 PM

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The 0.5 aggression factor leads me to believe that he has a hand (like a set or a Q) on the turn, not a flush draw. I wouldn't be too afraid of the flush, and I would definitely bet the river to extract value from the range of second best hands he is likely to have.

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12-19-2006, 05:40 PM

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Hm I see your dilemma.

If you push your halfpot bet in, youre getting called by weaker Qs and the flush. Probably not by KJ, KT, TT, 99 etc etc.

$25 valuebet?

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12-19-2006, 06:04 PM

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FWIW, you can value bet this all day because he'll go allin with his made flush here like 90% of the time he hits it. You can prlly value bet many hands on this river.

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12-19-2006, 06:20 PM

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I would for sure go all in!

Harry

12-19-2006, 06:21 PM

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Ugh I miss so much value in this game.

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12-19-2006, 06:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry

Ugh I miss so much value in this game.

I know what you mean. I read in cocco_bills stats check/blog a good post talking about this. I've been trying more and more lately to learn new ways to pick up more small pots and get extra turn/river value...it's so much trickier (but also more fun) than just making a set or something and betting pot.

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12-19-2006, 07:59 PM

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Don't take too much offense to this, but this is one of the worst river checks I've seen in my life. He minreraises you preflop with 25/6 stats, when is this not some kind of pair? I just don't understand your logic for checking behind. On this board he either has a set or a lower straight pretty much every time, maybe AK. You have to be able to value bet this and not think twice about it, a shove here is not thin by any means. This was a tuff_fish like check behind scared of some extremely unlikely backdoor flush.

Jager

12-19-2006, 08:38 PM

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This really looks like AK, with a missed C/R on flop. I try not to give credit for back door flushes. I bet 30-50 on this river.

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12-19-2006, 10:04 PM

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haven't read replies, but i assume they say....

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12-20-2006, 12:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

haven't read replies, but i assume they say....

OMG PUSH RIVER HACHACACHA GOD BLESS AMERICA!

hahahaha

yup pretty much!

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12-20-2006, 12:56 AM

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I would bet 1/2, not push. Like Genitruc says - they are pushing over with a flush and probably calling with a set or lower straight and maybe calling with two pair.

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