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Do implied odds count for this loose OESD draw call?

  
 
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SmackinYaUp
Old 05-01-2005, 07:54 AM     Post subject: Do implied odds count for this loose OESD draw call? #1 (permalink)  
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Ok heres my read of the villain - he's been checkraising me all night and likes to bet a lot. Its hard to get him to fold and I think he's been bluffing me out of too many pots, but I havent really hit anything on him yet.
I thought that my loose call here would have good implied odds but I feel just fishy doing it. Not so much on the flop, but the turn call makes me feel guilty.

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$100 NL Hold'em - Sunday, May 01, 03:47:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 37140 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: SlappinYaUp ( $101.25 )
Seat 1: GeniusJames ( $110.75 )
Seat 6: Button_Aces ( $165.92 )
Seat 4: mouzer ( $0 )
Seat 3: heggis66 ( $101.5 )
GeniusJames posts small blind [$0.5].
SlappinYaUp posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappinYaUp [ Jc Kc ]
heggis66 folds.
Button_Aces folds.
GeniusJames calls [$0.5].
SlappinYaUp raises [$3].
GeniusJames calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 4d, Th ]
mouzer has left the table.
GeniusJames checks.
SlappinYaUp bets [$7].
GeniusJames raises [$14].
SlappinYaUp calls [$7].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
GeniusJames bets [$15].
SlappinYaUp calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
GeniusJames checks.
SlappinYaUp bets [$60].
GeniusJames calls [$60].
SlappinYaUp shows [ Jc, Kc ] a straight, ten to ace.
GeniusJames doesn't show [ Tc, Qh ] two pairs, queens and tens.
SlappinYaUp wins $184 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
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Old 05-01-2005, 05:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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When you bet the flop, your probably gonna get a reraise if he has a hand that will pay off your straight aside from a monster. Since you dont want a reraise here but you do want him to pay you off I would check the flop.

The call on the turn was probably a bad move unless you knew he would pay you off huge if you hit. Without any read I would say you can expect to get paid out about $15-$30 on the rive if you hit so I dont think implied odds would be that great, however if you knew you could get him to call or reraise your $60 bet then its a good move.
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Old 05-04-2005, 12:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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If it's so hard to get him to fold, why not check behind on the flop?

Calling on the turn is +EV if you think he'll call your $60 bet at least 2/3 of the time when you hit. So I think calling is ok if you have a really good read on him.

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Old 05-04-2005, 02:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Thats a good question, I dont know why I bet now that I think about it. Its just habit I guess, but yea I could have chased for cheaper. At least when I bet on the flop, my draw was somewhat disguised. Im not sure if that makes a difference or not though.

I dunno if anybody, even him would call that big of a river bet 2/3rds of the time
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