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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN

07-22-2008, 10:02 PM Post subject: Do I 4Bet this against light agro 3Bettor? 50NL

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Villain is 26/22/13 3B: 25% over 60 hands.

I almost always 4Bet here but based on villain's stats, do I 4Bet here or flat call and check and let him destroy himself?

Being in position would be easier to flat call since he would be acting first and I don't have to be scared of him checking behind me so I'm not sure if 4betting or calling is the better play here.

I have been 3bet by him once and a diff player and both times I folded PF.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed)

Hero ($61.20)
Button ($60.65)
SB ($70.15)
BB ($50)
UTG ($49.25)
MP ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

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2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button raises to $7

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07-22-2008, 10:09 PM

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I opt for the miniraise here, make it $14 to go.

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07-22-2008, 10:18 PM

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I opt for the miniraise here, make it $14 to go.

How come? Hoping he shoves over the minraise? If he just calls, do I lead out on the flop even tho his super aggressive? Would like to know the thinking behind minraising here.

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07-22-2008, 10:23 PM

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Either is fine without much history, but in general you're going to be flatting 3bets much less oop, so you should 4bet this and bluffs to balance. I would make it $17.

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07-22-2008, 11:23 PM

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Based on how aggressive he is pf, I'm assuming that he's pretty much always cbetting the flop.

What do you guys think about just calling the 3bet to c/r any flop?

This way he doesn't fold the weaker hands that he's 3betting with, and you can also pick up at least a cbet as well.

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07-22-2008, 11:29 PM

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Make it like 2.5x if you are going to 4bet, don't minraise. I lean on he side of just calling pre.

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07-22-2008, 11:30 PM

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in general you're going to be flatting 3bets much less oop, so you should 4bet this and bluffs to balance

But this is 50NL

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07-22-2008, 11:46 PM

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in general you're going to be flatting 3bets much less oop, so you should 4bet this and bluffs to balance

But this is 50NL

How does it play differently? Villains fold to 4bets more often? Then it's fine to flat the first time, but he should be 4bet bluffing a lot then.

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07-23-2008, 12:19 AM

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Its 60 hands, dont get too carried away with stats.

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07-23-2008, 02:36 AM

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Yeah but he knows "when" to 3bet. He's spewy, just make him spew more imo. I think he folds to a 4bet, which is why I'd 4bet bluff him first.

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07-23-2008, 02:54 AM

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25% means 4 times he's had a chance to 3-bet and he's done it once. Or 8 times and he's done it twice. In a small sample the actual numbers mean a lot more than a percentage.

Now he's obviously aggressive when you add his postflop aggression into the equation. I guess it depends on whether you think he's aggressive enough to push over a 4-bet with much of his range.

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07-23-2008, 05:41 AM

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I opt for the miniraise here, make it $14 to go.

i bet you don't do this as a bluff! and this bet also is more of a fazer to hands that might shove over a normal sized 4bet but instead now will just take a flop in position.

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07-23-2008, 05:48 AM

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in general you're going to be flatting 3bets much less oop, so you should 4bet this and bluffs to balance

But this is 50NL

How does it play differently? Villains fold to 4bets more often? Then it's fine to flat the first time, but he should be 4bet bluffing a lot then.

bluffing? in MY NL50? it's more likely than you think

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07-23-2008, 06:28 AM

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its pretty simple imo ... if you were going to bluff in this spot, would you expect him to fold more likely than get it in? if the answer is yes, then you call and c/jam or c/minraise the flop, if you think he will 5bet and get it in most of the time then just 4bet to 17 and get it in.

given what u were saying about how he plays, seems to me he is 3betting light, which would make me want to think the 1st time i 4bet him should be a bluff since hes gonna give me respect, since that's the case, id basically always call here and do something funky on the flop.

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07-23-2008, 03:50 PM

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Thanks for the responses guys. Was good to hear other people's thoughts on what they would do here.

Heres how the hand played out:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed)

Hero ($61.20)
Button ($60.65)
SB ($70.15)
BB ($50)
UTG ($49.25)
MP ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($14.75)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero raises to $25, Button raises to $53.65, Hero calls $28.65.

Turn: ($122.05)

(2 players)

River: ($122.05)

(2 players)

Final Pot: $122.05

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and sixes).
Button mucked 7s 5s .
Outcome: Hero wins $122.05.

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07-23-2008, 04:49 PM

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you played it fine, you dont always have to 4bet this pre.

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07-23-2008, 10:49 PM

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If i was him i would have checked the flop behind

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