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jasons0147

02-08-2008, 03:16 AM Post subject: Do HUD stats make me a bad player

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So, Ive been using Poker Tracker and Ace Hud for about 4 months ago and have felt like I have had a pretty good improvement in my game. I use HUD all the time, usally 6-8 tabling either 6 MAX 10NL or 25NL. I realize that stats are not the most important thing at this level of play, but it does seem to help me in assigning players ranges, and being able to look at things such as CBET % and how often they are calling preflop ranges. I do not display a ton of stats on each player, just VPIP, PFR, CBET, Fold to flop CBET, and call preflop raise.

The reason for my post tonight is because of the hand that is posted below. Ive been sitting at the table for a few rounds and my stats had not popped up on the player to my right. As you can see I 3bet AK preflop, like I always do, and get called. My reason for raising on the flop was simply because of the preflop call, I really honestly put the player on a hand such as TT-QQ and did not believe that he would have lead out had he flopped a set, and of course my reason for calling his shove is the same.

Now heres the thing that blew my mind, after the hand, his stats pop up, and hes 8/8 over 14 hands. I said to myself after that hand that had I seen his stats I probably would have given him a little more respect postflop and possibly just called and then revalulate on the turn and river. Since previously, in situations like this I would only shove a TPTK to someone that I just saw spewing chips all over the place, and was a running a very high VPIP/PRF.

Mind you, Im not trying to be results oriented, Im just trying to help myself understand if I truly understand why stats are there for me. Everyone on this board has been more then helpfull, and I was hoping by posting this some of you guys could give me some guidance.

HAND IN QUESTION:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($24.65)
SB ($17.95)
BB ($25.50)
UTG ($19.55)
Hero ($24.65)
CO ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with

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UTG raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $4.5, 4 folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($9.35)

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero raises to $7.5, UTG raises to $15.05, Hero calls $7.55.

Turn: ($39.45)

(2 players)

River: ($39.45)

(2 players)

Final Pot: $39.45

Results in white below:
UTG has As 8c (two pair, eights and sevens).
Hero has Ad Kc (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $39.45.

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will641

02-08-2008, 03:22 AM

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first of all, 8/8 over 14 hands means NOTHING. if it were 89/10 or something you probably have a good idea he isnt good, but these stats are still very preliminary. and even if he was 10/8 over a big sample i still play it the same way and stack at these stakes every time.

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jasons0147

02-08-2008, 03:33 AM

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I totally agree, that stats over 14 hands means absolutly nothing. The thing that bothers me is that I believe that I would have played the hand completly differnent had I known that he had only played 2 out of the last 14 hands.

I guess my leak is that I give these players with a solid or tight image (over a larger sample), way to much credit and I believe that it could be affecting my winrate. To be honest, in most cases I try to avoid these players and prey on the lagtards, and that was how I viewed him before seing the stats popup.

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02-08-2008, 03:39 AM

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02-08-2008, 11:17 AM

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The very fact that he is shown as 8/8 and turned up with A8o in a 3bet pot shows you that your sample size is wayyyy too small. Super loose players start to show pretty early (like maybe 10 hands). The distinction between semi-loose and very tight is not made until much later. You played this hand well and had you folded at any point it would have been a mistake (even if you could see his stats after 14 hands).

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