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theDEEPdish
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08-14-2006, 03:51 AM
Post subject: discussion: the overbet AI
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I just read this thread
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...game-40871.htm
and I was wondering
what do you guys think of the overbet AI, I don't think it should be used too much at the lower stakes and is a move for a deeper level of thinking alot of times with opponents that you have history with
so When? How? and Why do you(if you do) use this play
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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i overbet all in whenever I make the nuts in an unxpected and invisible way, like when I hit a weird gutshot draw or something.
Also as a bluff when I am almost sure they will fold.
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gabe
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you have to know your opponent
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IowaSkinsFan
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08-14-2006, 05:35 AM
Post subject: Re: discussion: the overbet AI
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by theDEEPdish
I don't think it should be used too much at the lower stakes
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I'd probably use it much more on lower than higher stakes. Most of the time I will overbet....
1. With a vunerable board where the turn card could seriously damage getting any value from opp. Such as having AA with a J85 board. I raised preflop, BB calls. BB bets flop, I overbet all in.
2. The pot is so small that the chance of him even making one call in 10 with an overbet is good enough.
3. I have a strong draw and would like to induce an opponent to fold in a scary board.
4. I am sure opp has a strong hand but that I have a stronger hand. Here any overbet would be a value bet.
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andy-akb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
i overbet all in whenever I make the nuts in an unxpected and invisible way, like when I hit a weird gutshot draw or something.
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Shouldnt we also worry about the type of hands our opponent has and the frequency he will call our push?
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
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Originally Posted by Renton
i overbet all in whenever I make the nuts in an unxpected and invisible way, like when I hit a weird gutshot draw or something.
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Shouldnt we also worry about the type of hands our opponent has and the frequency he will call our push? |
yes of course
but that has to factor in when ever you make a value bet, so I figured it was already implied
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aislephive
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I disagree, this play works much better at lower stakes because the players down there are easily minipulated and don't adjust well.
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theDEEPdish
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2006
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why i meant i didn't think it was good at lower stakes is because you usually have less then 50 hands with alot of opponents
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bluey
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when i did this at 100 it seemed to get called a lot. now at 400 its not nearly as much, but you still get calls. of course i bluff the same way too.
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IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?
you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
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Miffed22001
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my table image gets me in all too often.
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