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Old 04-02-2007, 05:54 AM     Post subject: Did I Run bad or play bad Part 2... #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is a 50/28 or somethin donk who has min bet on streets before with a variety of hands... basically is terrible. he hitched on river.



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SB ($628.85)
Hero ($1253)
Button ($966)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 6.
1 fold, SB raises to $20, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($40) 2, 8, K (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $50, SB calls $40.

Turn: ($140) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $80, SB calls $70.

River: ($300) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $150, SB raises to $478.85


Hand 2: Villain is Exodus somethin, prolly a reg, tightish tag like 16/13

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SB ($998.50)
BB ($1129)
UTG ($230.70)
MP ($1936.10)
Hero ($985)
Button ($1179.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, A.
1 fold, MP calls $10, Hero raises to $50, Button calls $50, 2 folds, MP folds.

Flop: ($125) A, 2, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $80, Button calls $80.

Turn: ($285) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($285) A (2 players)
Hero bets $180, Button raises to $520,


Hand 3: Villain is fiskaren another 48/23 or somethin but with a aggro factor of .67 or sometin over 100 or so hands...

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SB ($667)
Hero ($1281.65)
UTG ($1177.60)
MP ($224)
CO ($541.15)
Button ($705.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 5.
UTG calls $6, 1 fold, CO calls $6, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($21) T, 5, Q (3 players)
Hero bets $18, UTG calls $18, CO folds.

Turn: ($57) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $33, UTG calls $33.

River: ($123) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $84, UTG raises to $198,

Hand 4: Villain is LBS somethin or other, 46/29, 2ish AF, havent noticed him do this before....

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MP ($669.85)
Hero ($694)
SB ($588)
BB ($587.45)
UTG ($1846.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
UTG raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $54, 2 folds, UTG raises to $140, Hero calls $86.

Flop: ($289) 3, 5, 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $226
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: is it too weak to just call the river bet? If he doesn't have the flush he's probably not calling anyway. As played... well, he probably assumes you don't have a flush so that widens his range a bit. You may have to call.

Hand 2: interesting hand. the whole hand is strange... which usually means i'm calling.

Hand 3: Another tough one. A lot of people say don't try and make big folds, i'm not folding here. T8 and 85 are possible, as well as maybe a T7 and there's a small small chance this is a bluff (i've seen it before...) or AA/KK

Hand 4: Have you been three-betting a lot? This was kind of the flop you were looking for, isn't it?
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 1 - You only beat a bluff - the flush card could very well have helped you yet he raises anyway, have to fold here.

2 - The only thing you beat is a bluff - betting the river may get value out of 88-1010 or QQ so C/C may be a better line. tough spot but I'd just fold.

3 - This looks so much like J9 - especially against somebody that passive. Fold.

4 - If this is the first time he has 4-bet preflop I'd fold then.
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 Hand #1: Most donks are afraid of flushes it seems. I would just call because I don't think you're getting paid off by a lesser K or AA here anyway. But I could see the merrit in raising. You have a better idea of how bad this guy is anyway. I don't call the push though, unless the variety of hands you've seen him show down are completely retarded air bluffs. But these weak $10 bets look like a donk trying to block to a cheap flush. Then on the river he's just doing it again because he's expecting you to raise again.

Hand #2: You can't call this, all you beat is A3 or a bluff. I go for the c/c to get the cheap showdown against a better hand and to induce the bluff from lesser hands myself.

Hand #3: Looks like J9 hit. I could see a 48/23 calling with that UTG. Gotta fold. It could be T8 but I really don't think he makes it to the river with that. Still, I don't think someone that passive raises on the river with a shitty two-pair.

Hand #4: He's a ggressive but does he 4-bet preflop a lot? And if he does, does he push AK or bet it small like this? If you don't know I think you have to fold preflop. If you give him a wide enough 4-betting range to make the call this is the flop you were looking for, gotta get it in.


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Of all the hands you posted, I dont think any are really misplayed. Definately some sketchy spots though. Onto the hands..

Whenever I see someone minraising like this, it usually means they have a flush draw. However you said he was pretty bad and had been doing it before. I dont think he would overplay a lone king like this.. I probably fold this.

Hand 2. He is a tag, but this is the perfect board to slowplay a big hand. Unless he has been out of line, or you guys have history where he makes big bluffs like this, I fold this too.

Im confused by hand 3.. Why do you bet so small on the turn? By the river it looks like the straight got there. I file this under "dont get attached to 2 pair" and muck.
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1) OK, villian may be a moron, but is he insane? He min-bet and you raised on two streets. On the river he min bets AGAIN. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The third time he min bets into you, you have to at least consider that you are responding in a way he likes.

2) is sick. There is a good chance that he thinks you are weak from turn action, and have to fold anything < A. At best he has AX where X is also a terrible kicker. I'm torn.... it looks kinda bluffy, but I guess it could be some wacky trap or A6-7-8.

3) not sure I can lay down T+B here... but really all you beat is a bluff. TXd or QXd? But wouldn't they just call river?

4) PF is meh, unless you have been 3-betting light. You are in position, so I grant calling here isn't terrible. Since you are now crushing AK, I guess you have to keep going? I think I would just rather fold PF.
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