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Old 11-06-2006, 03:22 AM     Post subject: Did I maximize here on the turn+river? #1 (permalink)  
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My read: Villains flop raise is top pair or better. If its top pair, its probably a weak kicker. Qx in its truest sense. On the turn, his bet is weak. My K looks good -- how do I maximize? Did I?



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Button ($27.05)
SB ($29.95)
Hero ($29.60)
UTG ($31.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, Button calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.10) Q, 6, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, Button raises to $5, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($13.10) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25.

River: ($15.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks ...
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Old 11-06-2006, 03:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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reraise flop, but as you played it i would just bet pot on river
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Old 11-06-2006, 03:50 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Why reraise flop? thats the only thing I *didnt* consider..
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because it doesnt seem like you know what you are doing on later streets, so might as well end it on flop
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 Villain probably has absolutely nothing here and checks behind 95% of the time and calls a check/raise like never. I don't know about reraising the flop as they'll payyou off just as much when you hit, and are more than willing to give you good odds to draw.

The turn is an interesting card for you, and, whether to lead for 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot or check/raise to 1/2 to 3/4 pot is the hard decision. I think villain calls a lone Queen to a 1/2 to 3/4 pot bet more than he would with a check/raise but, it is hard for me to say otherwise given that I know his bet on the turn was pretty weak. The river for me is an instant pot-size value bet and do it quick, as you want it to seem like a bluff.

This hand is fairly standard and you can't rely on opponents to bet your hand for you.


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Check/raising the turn is fine, and I like shoving the flop too (You don't mind getting called by a bare queen). As played till the river, you definitely have to bet. Villain's turn bet is definitely a sign that he doesn't like his hand so much anymore at these stakes so you're not getting a bet out of him on river.
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 if you put him on Qx, then reraising huge on the flop is the only play unless he is completely terrible at bet sizing. You are out of position and are a favorite by the river but a dog on a random turn. Reraising flop is really standard, get it all in please.
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Check bomb the turn. Because it's fun.
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Check/raising the turn is fine, and I like shoving the flop too (You don't mind getting called by a bare queen). As played till the river, you definitely have to bet. Villain's turn bet is definitely a sign that he doesn't like his hand so much anymore at these stakes so you're not getting a bet out of him on river.
A rule I've lived by for a long time on the river is, "People will bet a lot of hands they won't call"...

I didnt see myself getting a call if I put any sort of resistance, so I figured let him bluff it up? c/r the turn I think is purely futile, I won't be called unless villain is weakly playing two pairish, in which case I'm behind but not by much. And by doing that aren't I killing villains only chance to hang himself on the river?

Reraising the flop AI I think is the only way I have a *chance* of getting his stack, but I'm not really sure I want to do that when he'll let me draw cheap.

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Bomb the turn.
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