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Old 12-01-2006, 05:15 PM     Post subject: Did I learn how to play poker? #1 (permalink)  
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At the time of play, I felt like I owned this guy, but nowI am wondering if I just colddecked him.

Also, I could not find a FTP converter, sorry. Lil' hep?

Vilian has been here for < 10 hands, played his blinds (lost small pots w/o showdown

Full Tilt Poker Game #1319341968: Table Arden (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:19:25 ET - 2006/11/28
Seat 1: tonyo66 ($17.50)
Seat 2: sully6805 ($46.95)
Seat 3: zenbitz ($50.20)
Seat 4: Sharkerfish ($49.25)
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 ($71.10)
Seat 6: williampa ($64.10)
zenbitz posts the small blind of $0.25
Sharkerfish posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zenbitz [Qc Qs]
m_mathers_69 folds
williampa folds
tonyo66 raises to $1.50
sully6805 folds
zenbitz raises to $4
Sharkerfish folds
tonyo66 calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [As 6h 9h]
zenbitz bets $6
tonyo66 raises to $12
zenbitz has 15 seconds left to act
zenbitz folds

3 hands later (villian wins modest pot with KK, 3x pfr).
I think this is just tilty spew, but villian seem FOS to me, but I had been pushed around plenty on this table, and I figured I may as well make a stand when I only stand to lose 40% of a buyin. I am strongly influenced by 1st hand, but I am not sure if it's a good way.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1319359998: Table Arden (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:23:49 ET - 2006/11/28
Seat 1: tonyo66 ($21.75)
Seat 2: sully6805 ($53.40)
Seat 3: zenbitz ($40.95)
Seat 4: Sharkerfish ($48.50)
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 ($70.35)
Seat 6: williampa ($62.10)
sully6805 posts the small blind of $0.25
zenbitz posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zenbitz [4s 3d]
Sharkerfish folds
m_mathers_69 folds
williampa folds
tonyo66 raises to $1.50
sully6805 folds
zenbitz calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9h 3c 9s]
zenbitz bets $2
tonyo66 raises to $7.50
zenbitz calls $5.50
*** TURN *** [9h 3c 9s] [Jc]
zenbitz checks
tonyo66 bets $12.75, and is all in
zenbitz calls $12.75
tonyo66 shows [4c 8c]
zenbitz shows [4s 3d]
*** RIVER *** [9h 3c 9s Jc] [7h]
tonyo66 shows a pair of Nines
zenbitz shows two pair, Nines and Threes
zenbitz wins the pot ($41.60) with two pair, Nines and Threes

Results are in white because they are relevant to 3rd hand. (At least they were in my mind)

6 hands later... Pretty lame call in the BB... I am relying on my "superior post flop skillz".

Full Tilt Poker Game #1319374285: Table Arden (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:27:20 ET - 2006/11/28
Seat 1: tonyo66 ($20.45)
Seat 2: sully6805 ($52.65)
Seat 3: zenbitz ($66.10)
Seat 4: Sharkerfish ($49.50)
Seat 5: m_mathers_69 ($70.35)
Seat 6: williampa ($62.10)
sully6805 posts the small blind of $0.25
zenbitz posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zenbitz [Tc 6d]
Sharkerfish folds
m_mathers_69 folds
williampa raises to $1
tonyo66 calls $1
sully6805 calls $0.75
zenbitz calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd Ts]
sully6805 checks
zenbitz bets $2
williampa folds
tonyo66 calls $2
sully6805 folds
*** TURN *** [6h Qd Ts] [Td]
zenbitz checks
tonyo66 checks
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd Ts Td] [Jh]
zenbitz bets $17.50
tonyo66 tanks....

I check turn even though the pot is not yet big enough - I was pretty sure he would bet - and I could raise or call depending on how much he leaves behind

I really put him on a Q here when he checks the turn behind. Given our last interaction, I thought he would call BS on me...
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1: c/c or c/f flop.
2: fold preflop, postflop very meh. gamb00l with shorties is good I guess.
3: fold preflop, lead turn, value bet river. You're losing value vs. J9/88/etc.
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Old 12-02-2006, 04:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 12-02-2006, 04:54 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny_fish
1: c/c or c/f flop.
my iniital impulse was c/c to catch a bluff... but then I realized I he would be all in on the turn given his stack size, and I don't think a ss unknown ss bluffs on an a-high flop.

I guess check/fold is consistant since I have already decided he's not bluffing... Is betting ever good (when he will call with a medium pair, but not bet it)? Also, I think with 2 hearts on the board I was either loath to give him a free card and didn't want to call down a semi-bluff.
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2: fold preflop, postflop very meh. gamb00l with shorties is good I guess.
3: fold preflop, lead turn, value bet river. You're losing value vs. J9/88/etc.
I agree those would be standard.
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Old 12-02-2006, 07:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1) Just fold PF, or at least reraise. Calling only "makes sense" if you are doing it as a complete bluff and are planning to push him off the hand but as played you seemed to have called for value.

Against some players this may be semi-ok, but you need a lot more than a dozen hands on them. Also, how does the first hand really change this one? Regardless of the results I dont like this at all because you dont seem to have a read that would make this ok.

2) Ditch this in the BB, as played bet the flop harder. Bet the turn and hope to get it AI, otherwise just push the river if he calls. If you really put him on a Q, then I dont think this is horrible as he probably calls, but I just dont like how the hand played out to get there.
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