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Silly String
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01-22-2007, 06:09 PM
Post subject: Did I get pushed off of this hand?
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Opponent is 27/12 with AF 7.00 after 80 hands.
I really hadn't seen the all-in donk push from him before. All I can see that beats me here is a terribly played set, or a donk 2 pair. Is this a bad fold? I felt we were to deep to call.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($153.40)
UTG ($48)
MP ($77)
Hero ($117.20)
Button ($17)
SB ($38.65)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , A .
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, MP calls $1.50.
Flop: ($4.75) A , 7, 2 (2 players)
MP bets $3, Hero calls $3.
Turn: ($10.75) 4 (2 players)
MP bets $4, Hero raises to $8, MP calls $4.
River: ($26.75) K (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP raises to $64, Hero (RELUCTANTLY) folds.
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andy-akb
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Why are we raising this turn? I probably call flop and turn and most likely check behind on the river, I really just dont get the turn minraise or the tiny river bet. His river push really isnt that bad, it just looks huge because of your small bet. Anyways, this is an incredibly easy fold on the river, even for 100BB stacks it would be.
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StinkyBeaver
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Turn raise is plain bad. If you wanna raise turn then make it 14 and check river behind if he calls. Obviously we fold to a turn reraise.
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Silly String
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On the turn, I was trying to get more money in the pot while I was ahead. I obviously don't fear a draw here.
River bet was for value. I guess I should check behind, but I put him on an underpair or weak A here and I want to extract maximum value.
Flawed thinking I guess.
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freechus9
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by freechus9
Pot control is more important than being greedy.
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WHEN? I bet Gabe or Fnord would say bet river for value. What do you put him on? Limped AK, AQ, or a poorly played set? I have trouble seeing anything else here but a bluff.
If I fold, I have to guess a set looking to stack AK. My turn min-raise has to look like strength and my river bet screams "call me."
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gabe
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i dont think i would raise the turn. i would only raise if he put in another stupidly small bet on the river. if he checked i would bet though.
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
His river push really isnt that bad, it just looks huge because of your small bet.
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Are you saying his river push isn't bad because I look weak(bluff), or because he is trying to get worse hands to call his hand(value push)?
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andy-akb
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Silly String
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
His river push really isnt that bad, it just looks huge because of your small bet.
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Are you saying his river push isn't bad because I look weak(bluff), or because he is trying to get worse hands to call his hand(value push)? |
I shouldnt have said "bad" there. I meant that it wasnt that big of a raise, so regardless of his cards the raise isnt something I would call donkish.
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nutsinho
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If you raise this turn, its a showdown-raise where u check behind on river unless you hit two pair. Looks like a better spot to just call and feel out his river bet. I would never raise the turn planning to value bet the river.
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