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Renton
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03-02-2007, 08:03 AM
Post subject: Delayed bluff vs minraising nit.
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POKERSTARS GAME #8697160296: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/03/02 - 03:09:33 (ET)
Table 'Sulamitis II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: want2win ($300.35 in chips)
Seat 2: tiffybobs ($68.85 in chips)
Seat 3: jaymzisking ($195.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Renton555 ($539.70 in chips)
Seat 5: TheAwfulDin ($243.20 in chips)
tiffybobs: posts small blind $1
jaymzisking: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Ah Qs]
Renton555: raises $6 to $8
TheAwfulDin: folds
want2win: folds
tiffybobs: folds
jaymzisking: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [2c 2s 6d]
jaymzisking: checks
Renton555: bets $12
jaymzisking: raises $12 to $24
Renton555: calls $12
*** TURN *** [2c 2s 6d] [Kh]
jaymzisking: bets $25
Renton555: raises $43 to $68
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Genitruc
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If he's a thinking nit then this is a sick sick play.
If he sux like most nits then I don't like it.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
If he sux like most nits then I don't like it.
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explain plz
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cadmunkey
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Whats with the min raises these days? It happened so often at Full Tilt the other night that I had to do a double take and make sure I hadnt sat at limit tables by mistake. Sickening.
I think you make a great play there and hes folding his 77-QQ.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Is this how you play AA? KK?
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
If he sux like most nits then I don't like it.
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explain plz |
think of 2p2. Then consider which hands they are not folding, like ever, because they think that hand strength+HUD= never fold a set.
Then ask yourself why nits suck.
I can see what your representing, but a nit wont, hes incapable of folding any strong hand ever except a big pp facing aggression.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I love doing this on low boards, because usually you see a 6 or a weak overpair here. but i'd rather do it against a loose weak player (or is that what this player is? Whenevr i hear nit i think tight pre).
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gabe
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Is this how you play AA? KK?
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is this how villian plays aa ?
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koolmoe
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I like it. He's got small/mid pair there a lot.
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Genitruc
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If he's a bad nit, then not only does he not use a wild image to get paid off, but he's afraid of "not getting paid" when he does have a big hand.
So he does lame stuff like minraising. It's usually a hand he'd never fold in a million years.
If he's a "good" nit, he's :
-capable of using his image to bluff
-unlikely to pull of the stupid minraise crap when it's for value (since you're "supposed" to think he's nitty hence raising here for value it's a good bluff)
Not sure if that's clear.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
If he's a bad nit, then not only does he not use a wild image to get paid off, but he's afraid of "not getting paid" when he does have a big hand.
So he does lame stuff like minraising. It's usually a hand he'd never fold in a million years.
If he's a "good" nit, he's :
-capable of using his image to bluff
-unlikely to pull of the stupid minraise crap when it's for value (since you're "supposed" to think he's nitty hence raising here for value it's a good bluff)
Not sure if that's clear.
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so a bad nit isn't checkgayraising 99 here and then folding to clear strength on a scary turn?
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Genitruc
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in my experience a bad nit will just call with it
but shit man, you've played like 12378237012873x as many hands as me...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Renton
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yea but im still a breakevenish player at shorthanded nl
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The player Renton is up against is perfectly capable of min-raising a wide range on the flop. Check/min-raising on a board like this is rapidly becoming part of the meta-game in small stakes PS.
The problem I see here, is exactly what hand is he trying to sell the other guy he has? AK doesn't often play like this often enough. TT-QQ doesn't either. It looks like either the nuts or a bluff if he's a really good hand reader.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Fnord
The player Renton is up against is perfectly capable of min-raising a wide range on the flop. Check/min-raising on a board like this is rapidly becoming part of the meta-game in small stakes PS.
The problem I see here, is exactly what hand is he trying to sell the other guy he has? AK doesn't often play like this often enough. TT-QQ doesn't either. It looks like either the nuts or a bluff if he's a really good hand reader.
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yea basically im repping KK+ AK
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throw some Ds on that bitch, I like it
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Renton
yea basically im repping KK+ AK
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22 + 66 should also be in your range here.
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Genitruc
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Originally Posted by Renton
yea basically im repping KK+ AK
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22 + 66 should also be in your range here. |
WTF NO 26o??????
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Jager
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In my experience nits are usually very cautious when a scare cards hits and they are beat, the K here qualifies. Villain here did not feel that either you hold a K or that any single K beats him. I would have folded this turn instead of trying to rep a stronger hand than he is already representing.
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koolmoe
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He's only a nit preflop. He's pretty aggressive postflop, at least in the ~1000 hands I have on him.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Renton
yea basically im repping KK+ AK
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22 + 66 should also be in your range here. |
sure
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