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zook
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05-03-2007, 06:28 AM
Post subject: Delayed 2-barrel vs. tagg regular
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Villain is 22/12/2.3 over a lot of hands, seems solid.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($303.35)
UTG ($203)
Hero ($224.90)
CO ($194.10)
Button ($231.70)
SB ($266.30)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 , 9 .
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, CO calls $7, 3 folds.
Flop: ($17) K , 4, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.
Turn: ($37) A (2 players)
Hero bets $25, CO calls $25.
River: ($87) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $45
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gabe
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id give up on turn or push river, what was point of small riv bet?
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zook
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Originally Posted by gabe
id give up on turn or push river, what was point of small riv bet?
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To look like a value bet.
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sauce123
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id just bet flop or c/c c/f turn or c/r turn rather than lead
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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gabe
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Originally Posted by zook
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Originally Posted by gabe
id give up on turn or push river, what was point of small riv bet?
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To look like a value bet. |
i wouldnt try to third level these people
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sauce123
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i would like to reiterate that C/R turn as a bluff is much better than leading vs opp at this level
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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minSim
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just to get my own thinking straight; why isn't this a standard c-bet?
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zook
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Originally Posted by minSim
just to get my own thinking straight; why isn't this a standard c-bet?
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It normally is. I c-bet a lot though, so against regulars I occasionally balance with a check. Then I can call or raise for value or as a bluff.
In this case I called for thin value and then a good bluffing card fell on the turn.
sauce: I agree a turn c/r would have been good here.
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minSim
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Originally Posted by zook
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Originally Posted by minSim
just to get my own thinking straight; why isn't this a standard c-bet?
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It normally is. I c-bet a lot though, so against regulars I occasionally balance with a check. Then I can call or raise for value or as a bluff.
In this case I called for thin value and then a good bluffing card fell on the turn.
sauce: I agree a turn c/r would have been good here. |
There is an interesting thing in the flop, for me:
- I indeed think a call is for value, as a K, 44, and 33, are a small part of villains range.
If we turn this around, and let's say you are in position, and call a PFR with your 9's. Same flop comes, villain c-bets.
1. Do you call or raise with your 9's? What's the plan for the turn?
(Any 2 barrel will push us of I think, is that likely? Or do we have to call a blank turn? A flop raise will fold any weaker cards and better ones are staying?)
2.What if you have ATC (not connecting flop). Would you float or raise bluff the flop?
3. When OOP with ATC, do you like donking these flops? As only K's can call I guess..or is that too transparant?
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Genitruc
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I take this like with AK a lot and get looked up like 80% of the time so I'd rarely take it with a bluff.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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zook
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Originally Posted by minSim
If we turn this around, and let's say you are in position, and call a PFR with your 9's. Same flop comes, villain c-bets.
1. Do you call or raise with your 9's? What's the plan for the turn?
(Any 2 barrel will push us of I think, is that likely? Or do we have to call a blank turn? A flop raise will fold any weaker cards and better ones are staying?)
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Sometimes call, sometimes raise. In general I prefer a call b/c it's cheaper, but it also gives villain another chance to hit a higher pair (if he has AQ/AJ or something). If villain's aggro and will fire 2nd barrels, then the whole thing gets more complicated and expensive. Basically all options are on the table... bluff raising flop, calling flop/calling turn, calling flop/folding turn, calling flop/bluff raising turn... it depends on my image and how easily I think he can be pushed off of TP. If he fires second barrels and can't be pushed off of TP, then I'm more likely to just fold to his c-bet.
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Originally Posted by minSim
2.What if you have ATC (not connecting flop). Would you float or raise bluff the flop?
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Not usually, but once in awhile. If I've seen him c-bet and give up I'd float b/c it's cheaper.
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Originally Posted by minSim
3. When OOP with ATC, do you like donking these flops? As only K's can call I guess..or is that too transparant?
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I don't do this much, but it seems like a lot of people do. I like c/r'ing sometimes, b/c I'll do it with sets a lot, but it's more expensive than donking obv.
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
I take this like with AK a lot and get looked up like 80% of the time so I'd rarely take it with a bluff.
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Yeah, I could take this line with AK, AQ maybe, A4s/A3s.
For the results-oriented:
Villain folded.
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