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Numbr2intheWorld

02-16-2007, 03:34 AM Post subject: deep stacked 200 NL vs LAGG

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opp 36/23 over 100 hands, AF 2. I'm very unsure about how good he is because most of his hands had been played a really AKlucky, a huge donkey with a giant stack. The reason i raise here is becuase i just want to get into pots with lucky.

My image is pretty tight, although i have showndown one semi bluff, where i check pushed a turn with a straight draw.

how do you play the turn?

PokerStars Game #8462843422: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/02/15 - 23:22:29 (ET)
Table 'Robeson II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: PokeRandal ($781.55 in chips)
Seat 2: AceZoner ($184.80 in chips)
Seat 4: AKlucky ($979.10 in chips)
Seat 5: CripsTruces ($251.30 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($463.30 in chips)
AKlucky: posts small blind $1
CripsTruces: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [9h 2h]
TakinUr_$$$x leaves the table
redgrape: raises $6 to $8
PokeRandal: calls $8
AceZoner: folds
AKlucky: folds
CripsTruces: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 5h 9c]
draizen joins the table at seat #3
redgrape: bets $12
PokeRandal: calls $12
*** TURN *** [3h 5h 9c] [4d]
redgrape: bets $30
draizen leaves the table
PokeRandal: raises $86 to $116
aestebo joins the table at seat #3
redgrape

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02-16-2007, 03:37 AM

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Call. Raise is bad as he is already representing a hand which currently beats ur top pair and a set/str8 is likely. So call and check/fold blank river and lead about pot on a heart or str8 completing river, probably 1.5 pot if an ace falls.

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It's cool to want to get into hands with this guy but you need to go to war with something a little better than 92s me thinks.

As played I probably call or push, and just hope for the best. But this is a really shitty spot for you. You could have waited until the next hand, or the next, or the next, etc, and had a better shot than this.

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02-16-2007, 03:59 AM

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call and check any river you hit

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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02-16-2007, 04:08 AM

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Wow kinda deep, but u got lots of outs. I'd call and value bet any river you hit. Standardo

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02-16-2007, 04:30 AM

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So no one likes pushing deep to rep a huge ass hand?

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02-16-2007, 04:41 AM

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id have c/c'ed the turn because there is enough behind to get good value and your hand is likely well hidden. You also couldnt stand to be raised if you opened the betting on this street hard.
My thinking being if you check call a pot sized bet and maybe try a river c/r (expcting donkey to be a troll and call) then you make a pot worth winning.

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This is such an obvious line. Id be more interested if we think our straight draw outs are clean...
We want to play for stacks so donking the river knowng opp will only call isnt the best line. If opp has a strong hand on river he can do nothing but bet for value.

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02-16-2007, 05:01 AM

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76 or A2 are possibilities that immediately popped into my mind on the turn. However, i'm surprised that no one here says push. I have a lot of FE since i'm so deep, and even if he calls with a set i have 13 outs or so. Two pairs are folding, bluffs are folding, draws are folding. It just seems like the right play to me.

However, i did just call the turn FYI.

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02-16-2007, 05:05 AM

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omg sooted you don't get away

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02-16-2007, 05:06 AM

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I have a lot of FE since i'm so deep,

don't kid

he has a set like always. You don't have a combo draw, u have a slightly tainted flush draw.

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02-16-2007, 05:25 AM

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omg sooted you don't get away

lol, so do you call the turn or not?

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02-16-2007, 06:20 AM

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omg sooted you don't get away

lol, so do you call the turn or not?

I was just making fun of your opting to raise 92s utg.

if i feel that villain will pay off a transparently made hand i will call. Otherwise i would fold. I would pretty much never push.

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02-18-2007, 07:33 AM

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Yea I think a push is kinda bad here, mostly because it doesnt matter how big of a hand you rep if opponents range is mostly set/str8/air. I mean if you EVER get him to fold a 2pair thats a coup for you but push is still bad.

River C/R is veeeery read dependant, if you think villain will vbet river with a set with a 4str8 out there (and keep in mind he may have a higher str8 even if u hit) but not call a vbet and especially if 1,2 is true and he will call a C/R with his set then by all means C/R. Same with the flush.
However almost always I would just call turn and vbet river as unfortunately u r representing exactly what u have-- a big draw. Many villains will check river here with a set and maybe even worse will vbet 1/3-1/2 pot folding to a C/R which is imo the WORST as your checkraise riv plan works and you still lose value when compared to vbetting 2/3-psb on river.

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