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Genitruc
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12-20-2007, 06:32 AM
Post subject: Deep and Marginal
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Villain seems to be playing lagg pre and kinda snug and smart post. He's running 26/21.
My guess is that he's calling lots of speculative hands pre in this spot. His opening range is obv pretty wide from CO pre.
From memory :
Eff stacks of 440$, nl200
fwiw I'm running 23/19 and haven't been out of line. Haven't done anything spectacular or terrible at the table.
Villain raises to 7$ from CO, I repop to 32$ from SB w  
flop is    .
I bet 50$ into 65 ish (decision #1)
Villain raises to 140. I call (decision #2)
turn is 
I check, villain bets 150$ into 280ish. I have 270 total and would have 120 behind if I called this bet.
Help plz.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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sauce123
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
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if u 3bet just make it 26- not cause its more/less correct but cause villain will put you on a wider range and so he will be easier to play postflop, cause here im rly not able to know whether he puts you on a big hand preflop a large % which makes his flop raise super-tough to play against.
so really as played i fold flop and hate it.
given ur line preflop though i think check/call flop is best cause we just really, really need to misrepresent our hand on some street this deep oop- so make JJ/QQ the top of our flop check/call range seems like a good place to do it.
definitely, definitely fold turn.
calling preflop is also not a terrible option here and there are many good players who would advocate it though im not sure im one of them.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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thizzSantaCruz
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Full House
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I would advocate smooth calling pf. This is a hand where we want to play a medium sized pot so why put ourselves in a difficult decision by 3betting?
As played by calling his flop raise you are effectively commiting yourself when he bets the turn, which will be a large percentage of the time. I think you have to fold and move on.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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giraffe
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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i fold on the flop. i don't see the point in calling. you have to make the decision on the flop whether you want to play this hand for stacks and it's not good enough for 200BB
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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maybe not as interesting as I thought
fwiw I was villain w  
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
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actually it is pretty interesting to me gen. I would have played it like sauce.
how can you call someone 3betting out of the sb like that with a mid suited ace? I would consider it a mistake, unless you had a good read on sb and its almost a2c for you.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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I called cuz we are deep, I have position, and I think his hand is well-defined to me (prob TT+, AJs+) while my range is probably not very well defined to him
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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thizzSantaCruz
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Santa Cruz
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wait so did he look you up?
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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nah i don t even know if he had JJ lol but it's kind of what it felt like... he folded turn.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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