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Old 06-16-2009, 09:14 PM     Post subject: Crying call or not? #1 (permalink)  
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Villain 22/18/1.5 over 73 hands. No other info.

A few questions for this standard situation;
1- Would you b/f or b/c the river?
2a- If you b/f, do you like an other river betsizing?
2b- If you b/c around what odds is your breaking point for b/f-ing?

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Hero (UTG) ($32.45)
Button ($25)
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3, 3
Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 3, 10, K (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Button calls $4

River: ($12.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button raises to $18.75 (All-In)
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Old 06-16-2009, 09:20 PM #2 (permalink)  
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button raises all in on possible 2 pr or flush the 8$ bet on the river really put u in trouble should of checked imo.
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Why did you bet again?
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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 its just that stacks r pretty awkward here, so unless u have a clear idea of whether to make a close b/f here because you're certain villain won't shove anything else than a flush its prolly not worth it to bet here

that said if ure opponent is stationny/bad betting 6-7$ here on riv seems fine
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If I bet river it would be to b/f.
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I'm betting for a call from KQ/KJ, maybe T9s or some crying call by an underpair/AT or something, although that's not very likely.

I don't expect my opponents at this level to bluff missed draws/turn marginal made hands into bluffs a lot on the river and I do think he'd bet KQ a lot, KJ maybe.

So in my view there's very little difference in villains betting range when checked to or his calling range when facing a bet. The latter could have some crying calls in it and with betting I can controle the betsize.
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I'm gritting my teeth and folding KQ here actually
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Think you bet a tad too big on the turn and river if you planned to fold to a river raise.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:27 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 i mean if u chk its obv with the intention of folding... its just that imo KJ/KQ is too small a range to get value from with a bet, and Tx and lower pairs is kinda ridic tooo, he's never calling that

so yeah if ur opp is bad u can get away with betting like 6$ here and folding to a raise i guess
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