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Old 12-11-2008, 12:04 AM     Post subject: crazy good or crazy bad #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is a solid reg who I have zero history with and no reads on. Any one who has played stars 2/4 or 3/6 can pm me if they want to know who it is you've probably played with him.

His preflop stats are 22/19/2 over 250 hands.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($605.30)
Hero (CO) ($400)
Button ($539.25)
SB ($428.25)
BB ($400)
UTG ($562.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
2 folds, Hero raises $12, Button calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) 9, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button calls $20

Turn: ($70) K (2 players)
Hero bets $44, Button raises $114, Hero folds

Total pot: $158



 
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:35 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 12-11-2008, 03:40 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 a solid reg prob would not raise the turn but nice fold!
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Old 12-11-2008, 03:46 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 whats his 3bet stat like? so were worried about TJs/89s/9Ts maybe 79s/9Js, but not so much. we beat bluffs & 8 KQ combo's

vs only suited 89s/9Ts/JTs and 1/2 the combo's of 79s/9Js:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.337% 51.34% 00.00% 384 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 48.663% 48.66% 00.00% 364 0.00 { KQs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 9h7h, 9s7s, KQo }


vs suited and offsuit combo's of the above:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.277% 25.28% 00.00% 456 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 74.723% 74.72% 00.00% 1348 0.00 { KQs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 9h7h, 9s7s, KQo, JTo, Jc9d, Jc9h, Jc9s, Jd9h, Jd9s, Jh9s, Tc9d, Tc9h, Tc9s, Td9h, Td9s, Th9s, 9c8d, 9c8h, 9c8s, 9d8h, 9d8s, 9h8s, 9c7d, 9c7h, 9c7s, 9d7h, 9d7s, 9h7s }

result, were beat, ni han.
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:22 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Doesn't a solid reg 3bet a CO raise with 97o on BU instead of calling?
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Doesn't a solid reg 3bet a CO raise with 97o on BU instead of calling?
a solid reg probably 3bets alot of both of those ranges, thats why I asked what his 3bet stat was. The first range is pretty tight, the second is too loose, but you can see that we're not often ahead and this is a pretty good laydown.
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Old 12-11-2008, 11:59 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Well, I don't know man. With this being COvsBTN, I imagine villain is floating/peeling the flop a decent amount. Isn't he going from a very wide to a very narrow range then and when he can even be raising worse than our hand, isn't that enough to not fold?

Aren't we doubling the turn with air/draws quite some which even makes our hand at the higher part of our range?

(just some thoughts, I'm not as good as you all and I find it hard put together a realistic range for villain)
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:19 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Doesn't a solid reg 3bet a CO raise with 97o on BU instead of calling?
If you're confident that you are better postflop, then calling is better imo, you can win a lot more than just their open raise.

You can really frustrate people when you call a lot in position, i've been experimenting recently with calling waaay more than 3 betting in position and it's so difficult for opponents to do anything when you're a good aggressive postflop player in position.

This hand is just one of example of how difficult you can make life when you just flat in position - I mean, AA is surely at the top of hero's range, yet he folds it.

I do think this is a fold though, you don't see him doing thsi for value with worse very often. Also, if you call this you are going to face another big bet on the river a high % of the time and you're just playing guessing games as to whether to call or not.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:27 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Doesn't a solid reg 3bet a CO raise with 97o on BU instead of calling?
If you're confident that you are better postflop, then calling is better imo, you can win a lot more than just their open raise.

You can really frustrate people when you call a lot in position, i've been experimenting recently with calling waaay more than 3 betting in position and it's so difficult for opponents to do anything when you're a good aggressive postflop player in position.

This hand is just one of example of how difficult you can make life when you just flat in position - I mean, AA is surely at the top of hero's range, yet he folds it.

I do think this is a fold though, you don't see him doing thsi for value with worse very often. Also, if you call this you are going to face another big bet on the river a high % of the time and you're just playing guessing games as to whether to call or not.
this is really interesting. I can't refute it nor anecdotally support it but I can be amused by how the game may trend away from furious 3betting.

I really like villains turn bet sizing too. Very cool hand.

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Old 12-11-2008, 05:00 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 i agree w/ toadstool but fwiw id say 97o is just slightly too weak to call. i think that hands only slightly better, like T9o or 63s, can definitely be played profitably in this situation though with just a call.
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Old 12-12-2008, 12:56 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Doesn't a solid reg 3bet a CO raise with 97o on BU instead of calling?
If you're confident that you are better postflop, then calling is better imo, you can win a lot more than just their open raise.

You can really frustrate people when you call a lot in position, i've been experimenting recently with calling waaay more than 3 betting in position and it's so difficult for opponents to do anything when you're a good aggressive postflop player in position.

This hand is just one of example of how difficult you can make life when you just flat in position - I mean, AA is surely at the top of hero's range, yet he folds it.

I do think this is a fold though, you don't see him doing thsi for value with worse very often. Also, if you call this you are going to face another big bet on the river a high % of the time and you're just playing guessing games as to whether to call or not.
this pretty much sums up exactly how I was feeling. Just wanted to double check though cause I felt really dirty folding here cause it really is near the top of my range.

Oh and playing the button is the nuts whether you are 3 betting or flatting. He probably flats a wideish range here cause I don't remember any active squeezer being in the blinds. Which is important to think about cause it affects people's ranges a lot.



 
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