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Old 11-20-2007, 08:48 PM     Post subject: Cpl Draws OOP; nl400 #1 (permalink)  
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I’m playing tight and have a good image, no reads on villain

$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 20, 16:20:42 ET 2007
Table Table 127418 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: Agreeed ( $562.16 USD )
Seat 4: MyLifeIsABeat ( $447.10 USD )
Seat 1: HERO ( $564.99 USD )
Seat 6: nekuK ( $212.70 USD )
Seat 5: PbICb_07 ( $262.47 USD )
Seat 3: DaBLAM ( $400 USD )
nekuK posts small blind [$2 USD].
HERO posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
Agreeed raises [$14 USD]
MyLifeIsABeat calls [$14 USD]
nekuK folds.
HERO calls [$10 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

HERO checks.
Agreeed checks.
MyLifeIsABeat bets [$34 USD]
HERO calls [$34 USD]
Agreeed folds.

** Dealing Turn **

HERO bets [$59 USD]


2)

I’ve repopped villain a cpl times in the past few orbits and BB is a huge fish who I don’t mind seeing a flop with so I decide to flat pre

Since I’ve been repopping quite a bit, I’d imagine big cards don’t make up a large portion of my range in villain’s mind. Also, he recently 2-barelled me off of a draw-heavy turn after I floated a scary flop in position.

$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 20, 16:20:34 ET 2007
Table Table 127929 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: SmoothJazzer ( $611.10 USD )
Seat 4: kagemand111 ( $324.03 USD )
Seat 5: Erensio ( $507.20 USD )
Seat 6: HorstHits19 ( $636.60 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $499.10 USD )
Seat 3: The_Kabbash ( $394 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$2 USD].
The_Kabbash posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO
kagemand111 folds.
Erensio folds.
HorstHits19 folds.
SmoothJazzer raises [$14 USD]
HERO calls [$12 USD]
The_Kabbash folds.

** Dealing Flop **

HERO checks.
SmoothJazzer bets [$25 USD]
HERO calls [$25 USD]

** Dealing Turn **

HERO checks.
SmoothJazzer bets [$62 USD]
HERO raises [$278 USD]
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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my first reactions are that i would just bet-bet instead of c/c-bet in hand 1 but that prob doesnt matter, and in hand 2 i would put you on a draw or Tx maybe 55 because of ur pf and flop lines, and prob end up pushing with most made hands since u prob lead with Tx and 55 is sorta rare, but it is a tough spot for sure.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 hand 2) is the villain betting a 9 here? if he is i like.

actually i think leading the turn for close to pot and shoving blank rivers if he calls is a sick play.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1. Like it as long as you lead the river too.
Hand 2. I think I also like lead turn lead river a lot, although I think this is fine. I think a good hand reader is going to look you up though, your raise size looks like your bluffing. I'd make a smaller raise size to like 180.
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 agree that raise should ve been significantly smaller in hand 2 rather than pseudo-commit myself
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:41 PM #6 (permalink)  
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What about check raising the turn in H1 and then betting big on the river as well? I think that would portray a big hand and give him two chances to fold, the first of which is a bigger fold % than just leading out on the turn... is my thinking way off here?
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:46 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Also in hand 2, given your image / recent action, I think you can simply abandon the spot once the turn hits... It seems to be, with that turn card, you would have to commit yourself via a big bet to stay in the hand and given the action I don't think it would be an ideal stuff to challenge the player, since it looks to be like it is a difficult spot to put him on a range... Maybe you would have been better off raising the flop and seeing how he reacts to that on the turn to get some more info without putting all the monies in.

Edit: also for hand 2, is he the kind of player who is folding JJ-AA on that board to your turn raise?
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:24 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I c/r the flop because the pfr practically has a sign on his face saying "I have nothing or TT" and there's not many TT combos and the button stabs with his whole range in that spot.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:42 PM #9 (permalink)  

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Hand 1) If you c/c flop, I like c/r on the turn. It gives him a chance to put money in the pot with a marginal hand and we can take it down. We also have a chance in him checking the turn and we get a free look at the river.

What's your plan for if he raises? We put in a bunch of money and we'd have to almost call off our stack with Q high when we don't even know if we have outs. There's a narrow range that he raises, but the range that he bets when checked to is a lot wider.

If we c/r, and he calls, we can shove any card that improves us, as well as a Q or a J if we think he will look us up light (he might, our range of hands that we c/c, c/r is really, really small and our line looks really bluffy. (This may be spewy, as he could have fired the flop with air after it checked to him and hit the king)

Hand 2) I'd generally just fold preflop, but that's a matter of style. Even though the fish is in the BB, we're OOP against both people and it's gonna be very tough to get paid off if we hit.

You say that he 2-barrels a lot, so I don't mind this but I feel the sizing is off. I feel like ~$224 will work the same amount of time, and it also looks like it's for value a LOT more than a bigger raise will.
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 Hand 1 I like the way you played it if you are planning on 3-bet shoving the turn. (If called I 3/4 pot river)

Hand 2 I would also lead the turn here and 3-bet shove.
 
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Hand 2 I would also lead the turn here and 3-bet shove.
whoa... why 3-bet shove? The reason i like a turn lead is because i feel he's raising only Tx or better.
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Old 11-22-2007, 06:13 AM #12 (permalink)  
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1 is standard

wouldnt play any street the same in num 2
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I really don't get why everyone is saying 1 is standard.
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