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Old 01-25-2007, 03:13 AM     Post subject: A couple strong pockets facing aggression #1 (permalink)  
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 I'd appreciate any feedback on these hands. If I should have taken a different line, or given my line, how I should play it out.

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Hand 1:

-only 70 hands on villain but 9/0/1.25, and seems pretty passive so far
-is this a good turn fold, or should i be calling for the club?

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Blinds: $0.50/$1
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $113.75
UTG+1: $160.10
CO: $60.87
Button: $108
SB: $101.25
BB: $230.93

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: ($12.5, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.75, Button raises to $20, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: ($52.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $23.25, Button raises to $50, Hero folds.

Hand 2:

-not the greatest player, have him running at -53BB/100 over 530 hands
-villains stats over those hands are at 27/17/3

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $111.75
BB: $101.25

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $12, Hero calls.

Flop: ($24, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $16, Hero calls.

Turn: ($56, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($56, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $44, Hero ??
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Old 01-25-2007, 05:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hes tight passive, he not doing the flop raise in the first hand with AT very much, and 2nd hand looks close
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:51 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hes tight passive, he not doing the flop raise in the first hand with AT very much, and 2nd hand looks close
In the first hand, folding to the flop raise straight up seems somewhat weak. Should I just check-fold the turn?
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Hand 1: I think your up against a Set or AA a lot of the time here! He is soooo tight passive that what else could he be on! Surely he is not raising you on the flop on a FD. The flop raise seems like he is trying to chase out draws and so I would most likely put him on TT,QQ,AA. I think I would have checked the turn and fold to a big bet.

Hand 2: I think I am betting the turn here for maybe 1/2-3/4 pot. Based on your read of him being a lagg. The way its played I am calling the river bet and cry if he has JJ+!
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Hand 1: I think your up against a Set or AA a lot of the time here! He is soooo tight passive that what else could he be on! Surely he is not raising you on the flop on a FD. The flop raise seems like he is trying to chase out draws and so I would most likely put him on TT,QQ,AA. I think I would have checked the turn and fold to a big bet.
Wouldn't a player so tight passive slow down on my lead out on the turn, when the third club comes? I'd imagine even a set, from such a passive player, might slow down. I definitely can't see what flush he could have here though, since he doesn't have the K or Q of clubs. Maybe AJc, I suppose.
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Hand 2: I think I am betting the turn here for maybe 1/2-3/4 pot. Based on your read of him being a lagg. !
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Hand 2: I think I am betting the turn here for maybe 1/2-3/4 pot. Based on your read of him being a lagg. The way its played I am calling the river bet and cry if he has JJ+!
I called the flop, because I thought I could be ahead of his range that includes AK/AQ. I checked the turn, for pot control, and for him to bluff off with a worse hand. I don't see what WORSE hand than mine is calling a bet on the turn?

After the turn checked through, I was pretty sure I was ahead on the river, so I checked to him again, figuring he had air.
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hes tight passive, he not doing the flop raise in the first hand with AT very much, and 2nd hand looks close
In the first hand, folding to the flop raise straight up seems somewhat weak. Should I just check-fold the turn?
hes super passive, you arent ahead nearly enough to call flop.
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hes tight passive, he not doing the flop raise in the first hand with AT very much, and 2nd hand looks close
In the first hand, folding to the flop raise straight up seems somewhat weak. Should I just check-fold the turn?
hes super passive, you arent ahead nearly enough to call flop.
Is 70 hands on villain enough to make this kind of assessment? how many hands should I need here to confidently lay down kings, to a single raise?
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Hand 2: I think I am betting the turn here for maybe 1/2-3/4 pot. Based on your read of him being a lagg. !
yikes
Bad move then? I am still learning so I don't mind being wrong. I assume its because of the fact he is lagg that a check would be the play to make hoping he will bet?
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