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Old 05-05-2009, 11:14 PM     Post subject: couple of spots 600nl #1 (permalink)  
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 Ok so all 3 of these hands are vs the same player and happened all within 10 minutes of each other on different tables. I'm posting the second cause it gives you an idea of the game flow at the time and I'm unsure what he's thinking in hand 3 after he's just been caught bluffing. The second and 3rd hand were much closer together than the 1st and the second.

Villain plays 25/20/3 we don't have a much relevant history that I can think of.

Hand 1: No reason to felt this preflop yet imo which is why I decided to flat. Theres also a fish in the bb.

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saw flop

Hero (SB) ($717.10)
BB ($876.25)
UTG ($747)
MP ($768.10)
Button ($651)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
2 folds, Button bets $18, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: ($42) 8, 4, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $30, Hero calls $30

Turn: ($102) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $83, Hero calls $83

River: ($268) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $238, Hero folds

Total pot: $268

Hand 2: converter's messed I'm in the CO he's the button

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Button ($1030.30)
SB ($763.80)
BB ($1116.10)
Hero (UTG) ($1135.50)
MP ($600)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7, 4
Hero bets $18, MP calls $18, 3 folds

Flop: ($45) Q, 6, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $30, MP calls $30

Turn: ($105) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $78, MP calls $78

River: ($261) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $197, MP raises $474 (All-In), Hero calls $277

Total pot: $1209

Results:
Hero had 7, 4 (flush, Queen high).
MP had A, J (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $1207

Hand 3: This is on the same table as hand 2

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saw flop

UTG ($1030.30)
MP ($658.80)
Button ($1107.10)
Hero (SB) ($1727.50)
BB ($600)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
3 folds, Hero bets $15, BB calls $12

Flop: ($36) A, J, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises $75, Hero calls $51

Turn: ($186) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $153 Hero?

I think 1's probably a fold but you can comment on it if you want I'm most interested in thoughts on 3.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:49 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: I think the river is closer than you think, you very rarely have anything better than 8 x here, all the draws bar 56 binked on river and its btn v blinds vs a seemingly agro reg who after seeing hand 2 is def capable of 3 barreling. I don't mind a river call tho folding is fine.


hand 2: standard though I prefer betting river smaller to induce (even though you did anyway). Something like $144 seems decent.


hand 3: It's bvb vs a guy who has spewed to you in the past, you have the topest part of your range on the flop, 10s not a great turn but I still jam regardless, I say he has f draws that have often turned into combo draws more often than 2 pair, 77 etc not to mention when he's just plain FOS.
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 - I think is kind of close. I think its definitely possible he's somewhat value towning himself here with 78, or 99, or A8 or something like that. On top of the fact that FD misses... hmm not sure. The only thing making me want to fold is his sizing.

Hand 3 - Given that he just got caught bluffing in the previous hand, he probably thinks you're less likely to give him credit. So I don't miiind the fold.. though I'd have a hard time not 3betting this flop bvb.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:17 AM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 3: It's bvb vs a guy who has spewed to you in the past
If anything.. vs a reg.... this is MORE of a reason to fold.
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Old 05-06-2009, 02:53 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 After seeing hand 2 i think TT is a snapppp call in hand 1

He seems very capable of showing with another bluff in hand 3 so i think its pretty close between c/c and c/f...tbh id prolly call/call and win vs his 5s6s
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:13 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: You cant fold. Also, i'd threebet preflop. Why are you worrying about him fourbetting? Your not going to be able to play very well multiway from the sb.

Hand 2: I think river is a fold unless you thought he was bluffing.

Hand 3: I'd either call/call most rivers or fold now. I'd go with call/call most rivers.
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 1 fold but id call if you were bb instead of sb
2 i was going to say id call but since you posted results, i guess to provide info for #3, who cares
3 easy easy fold
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1 fold but id call if you were bb instead of sb
Do you think being BB instead of SB weakens our perceived range so much to change it to a call?? Or is it for another reason?... didnt think it would matter much since i wouldn't expect 99% of villains to think about this
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Old 05-06-2009, 03:56 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 yea i guess most people wouldnt be thinking about it but it would weaken my range quite a bit in this spot
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Old 05-06-2009, 04:06 AM #10 (permalink)  
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1) Unless I think a guy is really aggressive with triple barrels I usually muck the river in this one. As people have already pointed out though it's relly hard for us to have a strong hand in this spot which possibly makes it pretty close.

3) I'd like to think that I could classify regs I play with into 2 categories; ones who feel embarrassed when they get caught in a bluff and try to bluff you again to get their self esteem back and those who tighten up because they think their image is damaged. Most people are the latter and the former are usually really easy to pick out. This combined with the fact that a couple of gutshots got there makes this a fold imo.
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Old 05-06-2009, 04:42 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 The thing that made me fold one was his betsize which really felt like he was trying to get the max value. Obv after seing hand 2 I want to call 1 but it doesn't really work like that in the real world.

Thats a nice point irish about 3. What factors do you think give away that they will try to bluff you again right after they got caught bluffing. How do you tell that they are on that level?



 
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:38 PM #12 (permalink)  
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random question but is 2.5x your normal sizing for opening from the SB?
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3) I'd like to think that I could classify regs I play with into 2 categories; ones who feel embarrassed when they get caught in a bluff and try to bluff you again to get their self esteem back and those who tighten up because they think their image is damaged. Most people are the latter and the former are usually really easy to pick out. This combined with the fact that a couple of gutshots got there makes this a fold imo.
Yah I agree with this. I think most people are definitely on the level of "He just saw me bluff, I'm gonna raise my next value hand and he won't believe me and stack off" level. That being said, if I was villain and had this meta, I would probably be flatting AQ pre sometimes just so I could raise another flop vs hero on any A or Q high board and not get any credit. Though I'm not sure this makes it enough to call down for hero.
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Old 05-06-2009, 05:30 PM #14 (permalink)  
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random question but is 2.5x your normal sizing for opening from the SB?
it's 3x and that is my normal sizing in all positions except sometimes utg.
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Old 05-06-2009, 06:56 PM #15 (permalink)  
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random question but is 2.5x your normal sizing for opening from the SB?
it's 3x and that is my normal sizing in all positions except sometimes utg.
Oh so when it says you bet $15 that means you raised to $18? and when it says you bet $18 you raised to $21? That's not 3x...
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Old 05-06-2009, 08:04 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 No I'm in the sb so I already have 3 dollars in the pot.



 
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1 fold but id call if you were bb instead of sb
2 i was going to say id call but since you posted results, i guess to provide info for #3, who cares
3 easy easy fold
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:58 AM #18 (permalink)  
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Wow I'm retarded.

Also I don't think Hand 2 has much bearing on Hand 1. Yeah it means he's an aggressive player but meeloche I think your comment about his sizing on the river in Hand 1 is spot on. In Hand 2, if he's going to bluff the river, the only size that makes sense is a shove after you bet. In Hand 1, he has different sizing options but chose one that gets maximum value out of a bluff catcher, like you have
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 ohhhh wrong hand lol.. had to re-read like 4 times :P
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:25 AM #20 (permalink)  
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1.) Call
2.) Call
3.) Fold
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Old 05-07-2009, 06:41 PM #21 (permalink)  
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1.) Call
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whats your reasoning for hand 1? I think i'd fold mainly due to his betsizing, prob be more likely to call if it was significantly more or less than what he bet.
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